is it ok to fuck other people over?

as a way of getting ahead? or in other words, how acceptable is it?

please say what country you're from.

Captalism can be fair the only proublem is the rich change the rules to make it next to almost impossible to achieve sucess

>>41
Sounds more like socialism.

>>38
i tell you everything boils down to capitalism/communism, so dont bother arguing

If you are lazy, you like communism, because you want to have as much as hard-working people while slacking off.

If you are worth something, you like capitalism, because you want proper, fair recognition of your work and don't want retards leeching you.

YOU KNOW IT'S TRUE.

>>44
I won employee of the year and I'm a communist. I just hate when upper class shits on the lower class, its never reverses,the poor at the mercy of the rich

>>45
You got paid more for working harder.

Winning employee of trhe year at a communist factory isn't much of an achievement.

>>45
The upper class couldn't shit on the lower class without the help of government.

Insurance companies lobbied to make insurance mandatory for driving. As a result, the low-income-high-risk individuals now have to pay out the ass and a FAR larger proportion of their money than the middle and upper classes. Insurance companies could not exploit the poor like this without the help of government. I may be a capitalist, but I really do care about this issue, especially because I'm low income and live in a high-risk neighborhood.

Stuff like this is not capitalism. (If you think it is, part of the reason you think capitalism is stupid is because you don't know what people who call themselves "capitalists" are actually advocating.) Capitalism is more like a neutral between socialism and fascism. Socialism is taking from the rich to give to the poor, corporate fascism is taking from the poor to give to the rich. Capitalism is neither, Capitalism is where government is simply uninvolved in the market. This is why it's also called lassiez-faire capitalism, though that phrase is redundant. As a capitalist, I'm MORE opposed to stealing from the poor and giving to the rich than I am to stealing from the rich and giving to the poor. I oppose both on the grounds that they're theft, but taking from the poor through taxes, laws, regulations, et cetera, in ways that transfer this money to the rich, is just wrong.

When the upper class shits on the lower class, half the time you aren't even looking, the other half of the time you misidentify the problem.

The upper class couldn't shit on the lower class without the help of government.
For certain definitions of "government". What if I raise a private army?

What class do warlords fall under exactly?

The definition of govern is to control. To govern others is to enslave them. Anyone who enslaves others could be called a government. Governments are criminal, criminals are governmental.

>>49

YAH ANARCHY ROOLZ

>>18

Walmart doesn't fuck anyone over? Are you fucking shitting me?? they treat their workers like dirt, and they eat small businesses for breakfast, among plenty of other bullshit. Watch "Wal-Mart: The High Cost of Low Price", or even the South Park episode, or read the wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Wal-Mart

i live an unremarkable middle class lifestyle. and i mean mediocre/ordinary middle class not cushy upper middle class. i have a college education and would say i am fairly educated.. should i be for capitalism or communism?

>>49
wrong, the governments job is to protect the people, its how much "protection" you want that will effect how strong the government, and just like Ben Franklin said
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety".

>>52
Communism. Not because of self interest but because it is true. And if you were poor, you would like the middle class to side with you. But middle class in it self is not a communist term, marx defined the working class as the ones who needs to work for wages (meaning the majority of the populace whatever income they have), and the burgesoise class as the ones who own and control the means of production (from which all wealth and power is derived). Middle class is just another term for skilled slave.

>>51
That Documentary made me cry, it was the first time I cried in about a year, so fucked up.

>>52

it really depends on what you really care about, not your background

>>52
If you believe in the ethic "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you," and "Leave me alone and I'll leave you alone," Capitalism.

If you believe in the ethic "From each according to ability, to each according to need," and "Everyone deserves an equal share of wealth", Communism.

If you believe in the ethic "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country," and "National values are more important than individual rights," then become a Corporate Fascist (what communists call "capitalism", and capitalists call "corporatism").

>>57

Capitalism is more of a mixture of the silver rule (do not do unto others as you would not have them do unto you) and the bronze rule (do unto others as they would do unto you) rather than the golden rule. 

>>58
No it's not. Provide examples, and then demonstrate that the examples provided are "Capitalism".

>>59

I don't need to. If everyone did what they would want other people to do to them, then people would give generously to each other and not have much of a sense of property, which is conflicting with capitalism and its idea of the individual and rights to property.

>>60

Charity is not in conflict with Capitalism's idea of individual rights and property.

>>61

But really, is that how Capitalism actually is? Do people really do what they want others do unto them under capitalism? Or are people generally self-serving in a Capitalist environment?

What's wrong with being self-serving? If everyone serves themself, everyone gets served. If everyone serves someone else, somebody isn't getting something.

Capitalism is not an ideology, its a mode of production (how our products are produced and distributed and how the agents doing this are organized). Pro capitalism ideologies are
liberalism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism , Locke  conservatism  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism , Burke
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism
Anti capitalism ideologies are communism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism , Marx
anarchism ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism , Proudhon

Some misguided individuals call themselves anarcho-capitalists or libertarians ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism ) and believe that capitalism is possible without the state, but since this naive notion have no empirical basis in history or present reality these people can be ridiculed till they lurk  enough to be legal.   

Blarg, my post look just like how i feel! To drunk to post! bleh...

Black market - No government, capitalist method of production.

Arguement refuted. Dumbass.

>>66
The black market could never invent the lightbulb, build the internet, bridges and roades or discover cures for cancer. It is howerer dependent on those who can. But if you are a libertarian you prolly think it could, and you prolly believe in santa also. Must be hard being retarded, thus the helmet impair you dating?

>>67
Ther black market fulfils all the demands it can make a practical profit from. If there is a high enough demand for a bridge, it will get built in one way or another. Building a bridge under a government's nose isn't easy, but it's been done before. A bridge for instance which only appears at low tide of a bridge which can be retracted under 2 inconspicuous fishing huts.

>>67
The black market doesn't offer white market goods. If the government banned roads, the black market would provide roads. The fact that the government does not ban roads does not prove that the black market cannot provide them.