Hitler and socialism

Please stop saying Hitler hated socialism and/or was a capitalist

I don't know if you're all just idiots or if it's clever leftard propaganda, but

Nazism = National Socialism

Discuss.

Nationalism is traditionally rightwing, and we all know Hitler hated communism, and since the opposite of communism which also happens to be a traditionally rightwing thing is capitalism, therefore Hitler was capitalist.

Fascism is a form of free-market capitalism because it's less empathetic than communism.

Imperialism is peace, freedom is security, and nationalism is strength.

You're an idiot because you're so easy to rebut.

>>1
What is there to discuss, unless there is some huge conspiracy to warp history and make it seem as though the nazis were socialist when in fact they were not, the facts prove that they are very strongly related.

Both marxism and fascism and their related ideologies stem from Hegel and his ideas about how to fool people into bending over and receiving a thick long hard blam of tyranny.

>>2
Durr, no. National Socialism is mix of fascism, socialism and capitalistic. It's left-wing ideology. It's essentially fascist and capitalistic, but state works for "good" of selected national group in case of Nazis real aryans and political aryans(most of population).

Also note that Nazis deeply hated both capitalism and communism. They were fine with socialism as long as their race and moral beliefs were preserved. One fine example is they'd love to have free-schooling and wellfare for every Aryan worker, but would hate to have wellfare for jews or handicapped. That's what socialism in Nazism was about.

>>4
>>5
If that is so, Henry Ford was a leftist.

"As German bombs fell on London and Nazi tanks rolled over U.S. troops, Sosthenes Behn, president and founder of the U.S. based ITT corporation. met with his German representative to discuss improving German communication systems. ITT was designing and building Nazi phone and radio systems as well as supplying crucial parts for German bombs. Our government knew all about this, for under presidential order, U.S. companies were licensed to trade with the Nazis. The choice of who would be licensed was odd, though: while Secretary of State Breckinridge Long gave the Ford Motor Company permission to make Nazi tanks, he simultaneously blocked aid to German-Jewish refugees because the U.S. wasn't supposed to be trading with the enemy.
Other U.S. companies trading with the Third Reich were General Motors, DuPont, Standard Oil of New Jersey, Davis Oil Co., and the Chase National Bank. President Roosevelt did not stop them fearing a scandal might lead to another stock market crash or lower U.S. morale. Besides, the same companies that traded with Hitler were supplying the U.S., and some corporate leaders threatened to withdraw their support if Roosevelt exposed them. Henry Ford was a good friend of Hitler's. His book The Internatonal Jew had inspired Hitler's Mein Kampf. The Fuehrer kept Ford's picture in his office, and Ford was one of only four foreigners to receive Germany's highest civilian award. As for Sosthenes Behn, at the end of the war, he received the highest civilian award for service to his country - the United States of America."
http://home.iprimus.com.au/korob/fdtcards/EurMEast.html

ATTENTION OP:  Hitler died half a century ago.  Find something new to talk about.

>>1

YES, NAMES ARE PERFECTLY REASONABLE JUDGES OF THE ACTUAL GOVERNMENT AND ECONOMIC SYSTEM

I laugh every time the far right tries to denie the obvious facts that hilter was right wing.   just because his movement had the word socialism in it doesn't mean he's left wing.  If Conservative likes to call him self a liberal does that mean he's liberal.

>>9
He was a right wing socialist. Everything must be controlled by the state etc.. It's the very definition of socialism. Tyrants loev socialism.

your partly right. Hitler incorporated some parts of socialism into his goverment.  he also incorporated some right wing ideas as well

are we talking the traditional right wing (economic sense) or modern right wing (moral, values etc.) ? can it be clarify tiem now plz.

>>12
I was referring to right wing in the proto-holistic fashion sense.

Doesn't it say it self that Hitler could not have been a socialist since socialism is about equality and respect between different kinds of people?

The modern right wing is fairly socialist, i hate to sound like some moonbat but honestly the american right wing has alot in common with the nazi's. This is not ment to include any oldschool goldwater type conservatives but i think most of them have jumped ship since Bush senior.

moonbat is not as bad as being a wingnut so your safe

>>15
nah, you're not a moonbat, you're spot on. it's just that other people think when you say "the republican party is similar to the nazi party in some respects right now, in that they are right wing but socialist" people think you just said "omgz bush is nazi lolz" because they can't digest two bits of information without simplifying it into something that doesn't tax their brains so much.

>>17
just me again.

you know what i reckon the problem is? socialism and capitalism and fascism and all that shit- it means different things to different people.

socialism, it can mean retarded government handouts or it can mean principled and rational benevolence.

capitalism, it can mean a system of fair trade or it can mean corporate rule.

fascism also shares that kind of split perception in some respects.

we should probably stop trying to define isms altogether and focus exclusively on the policies themselves.

>>14
Durr, no. Socialism is about social services provided by government and socializing economy to be controlled by state. In Socialism key factor is that state tries to work for "good" of people. Nazis were exactly what acronym "Nazi" stands for, National Socialists. They worked for "good" of Germanic people and believed that state-serving Germanic people had rights to social handouts by Goverment. What you're thinking is communism or classical liberalism(and modern libertarianism).

>>19
Fail, Nazi is not acronym, its just an abbreviation of NATIonal, since in german, thats pronouced NAZIonal. Get it?

>>19
I disagree, I wouldn't say there is a "key factor" in socialism, but if there were one I'd say it was the idea of everyone being equal. That would be the entire foundation of the whole ideology.

>>21
That’s the foundation of many types of economic systems. For instance, libertarians believe everyone should be treated equal, does that make them socialist? Socialism is government control to promote economic equality; Germans did this but only with the white race. Hitler was able to circumvent the problem you’re getting at by the use of utilitarianism, the philosophy of a raging socialist.

>>20
na = national
zi = socialist

>>23
"The term Nazi is derived from the first two syllables, as pronounced in German, of the official name of the German Nazi Party, the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The Nazis did not originally refer to themselves as "Nazis," and instead used the official term, Nationalsozialisten ("National Socialists"). In German, Nazi mirrors the term Sozi, a common and slightly derogatory term for the Social Democratic Party of Germany (Sozialdemokratische Partei Deutschlands), the Nazis' main opponents before obtaining power."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi

>>24
NAtionalsoZIalistische

>>22
>Socialism is government control to promote economic equality; Germans did this but only with the white race.

Economic equality between a specific group of people is not socialism.

>>26
It is when you consider the ones not included to be sub-human; thats where the utilitarianism comes in.

I don't consuder them sub-human. Do you?

>>28

he's talking about nazi germany, not his own opinions.

>>26
then what is it?

>>25
So what your source, fool?
Ive posted mine.

>>29
So Hitler considered them sub-human, the same guy who thought he'd secure the future for the "pure race" and for some reason also hated Jews even though he couldn't find any racial differences, but he decided to kill them anyway?

>>2
"and we all know Hitler hated communism, and since the opposite of communism which also happens to be a traditionally rightwing thing is capitalism, therefore Hitler was capitalist."

The fact that Hitler despised communism does not make him a capitalist.  Hitler was far from a capitalist.  Actually, the government in Nazi Germany took a very active role in both the economy, and the lives of private citizens, and would be better described as socialist than capitalist.

"Fascism is a form of free-market capitalism because it's less empathetic than communism."

Free-market capitalism, unlike fascism, does not involve massive or stringent socioeconomic controls over private citizens and their private lives. 

It is a system in which the opposite is true:  that stringent socioeconomic controls are not present at all, thus making free-market capitalism nearly diametrically opposite fascism.

>>22
Thinking everyone should be treated equal and thinking everyone should be equal are two very different ideas, and tend to come from two very different ideologies.

Hitler was extremely anti-communist, that's not historical propaganda, it's fact.

>>15
"The modern right wing is fairly socialist, i hate to sound like some moonbat but honestly the american right wing has alot in common with the nazi's. This is not ment to include any oldschool goldwater type conservatives but i think most of them have jumped ship since Bush senior."

'Goldwater-conservative' and 'libertarian' are practically interchangeable from my standpoint.  I see there being a lot of confusion over terms.

When I talk with people in my area, we tend to use the term 'conservative' as though it meant a smaller and less intrusive government that wanted to more or less leave the people alone (essentially libertarianism). 

This is in pretty stark contrast to the CURRENT stand of the republican party, under which we have had an explosion-like increase in government power over both the economy, and over the lives of private citizens. 

I wouldn't even use the term 'right-wing' or 'conservative' to describe George Bush, considering he has doubled the size of the Federal Government under his tenure. 

In fact, I would be more inclined to use the term 'socialist' or 'fascist' to describe George Bush.  Either would work.  Yeah, Bush isn't advocating nationalization of industry, but he is indeed extending a lot of government influence into the economy and private lives of citizens, and centralizing government power, all very fascist traits indeed.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dict.asp?Word=fascism
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dict.asp?Word=socialism

Hitler threw  left wing supporters both main stream and none mainstream into the camps. 
their is very little unbais info that can disprove Hitlers's Right wing idiology

I heard too

>>35
Anti-communist doesn’t mean anti-left; fascism is in essence very similar to communism. It’s damaging to think of the left and (modern) right as anything different, they are at a fundamental level the same.

Liberalism/Socialism has been the prevailing political idea fueling almost all governments for the last 100 years. Any dichotomy created between the modern left and modern right is based on nothing more then image; in other words modern politics is a sales pitch. In political philosophy it’s much easier to find similarities between JFK and GWB then it is GWB vs. lets say Paul Rudd, or Goldwater since he's been mentioned already. Thus its far more accurate to divide politics into left and right based on the contrast of the latter rather then that of the former.

Hitler was not a socialist. To claim that he was is ridiculous, given that he threw all the socialists in jail. He was a nationalist whose party claimed to be 'socialist' by their own special definition, which had few if any of the traits by which we recognise socialsim.

>>9 "He was a right wing socialist. Everything must be controlled by the state etc.. It's the very definition of socialism. Tyrants loev socialism."

Lousi the IV said "l'etat, c'est moi", which means 'I am the state'. That does not make Louis IV a socialist- he was a fucking king, for crying out loud. Socialisn means that 'property and the distribution of wealth are subject to social control'- i.e. not under the control of a single man, like, oh, say, Hitler.