>>61
"First of all, the 2nd amendment is not a "basic human right", it is a constitutional right, a government sanctioned right, which is very different."
I didn't say the 2nd amendment was a 'basic human right', I said the right to keep and bear arms is a basic human right. There's a difference.
"While it is true that societies with gun ownership laws are generally safer than ones where it is illegal to own a gun, that doesn't mean that "lol gun rightz absolut" is the very best way to keep society safe."
I have already said I support background checks, provided certain measures are taken to ensure privacy for gun purchasers.
"Gun control laws could make society safe, or more dangerous. Just because one end of the graph is less safe than the other doesn't mean that safeness doesn't peak somewhere in between."
Since when was 'safeness' advanced beyond freedom as the national priority? Since pussies like you arrived.
"And if someone cites that gunowners source one more time I am going to shoot somebody."
http://www.gunowners.org/fs0404.htm
http://www.gunowners.org/fs0404.htm
http://www.gunowners.org/fs0404.htm
>>56
"What is wrong with banning ice cream? What is wrong with licensing baseball bats?"
"and a baseball bats sole, or even primary purpose isn't to harm other living things,"
Nor is a gun's sole or primary purpose. The purpose of a gun is not limmited to shooting people. The fact that you give the implication that it is shows your incredible lack of understanding for other people and their lifestyles.
"nor can it kill many people very quickly and easily,"
You can kill someone pretty quickly and easilly with a baseball bat. The gun just makes it even quicker and even easier.
"nor does it have a long range,"
It has a decent range if you throw it.
"So neither of those analogies make much sense."
The point is that imposing gun control on everyone infringes upon their personal freedom and rights, just like banning ice cream or registering baseball bats.
"lol loaded words. Look, I have nothing against law-abiding gun owners, I plan to be one, but you have to face the fact that there are many who use guns to break the law. Gun licensing can help make sure that it is only the first group that receives the guns."
I think you are confusing background checks with gun licensing systems. Background checks screen gun purchasers' records to make sure they aren't repeat offending criminals or something who have committed serious crimes in the past before they are allowed to purchase guns. Most gun rights advocates don't have a problem with background checks, as long as you take some measures to protect privacy. This is entirely different from a licensing system.
It also can make it difficult, and depending on the system, impossible for people to get a firearm in certain circumstances. Again, background checks are one thing as long as you take measures to ensure privacy. Gun registries and licensing, aside from the problems I mentioned above, tends to be a slippery slope leading to confiscation.