Communism

All the people I've seen who they say support communism live in 4 bedroom houses, buy lots of communist memorabalia at Hot Topic, and bitch about life. In communism your ass has to work for 12 hours with or without consent and you live in shitty ass houses. I get it, people only say they support communism when they get to be the ones in charge who sit on their ass doing nothing, because remember THEY'RE THE PROLETARIAT!!!!!

All the people I've seen who they say support capitalism live in 4 bedroom houses, buy lots of capitalist memorabalia at Tiffanys, and bitch about taxes. In capitalism your ass has to work for 18 hours without consent and you live in shitty ass houses. I get it, people only say they support capitalism when they get to be the ones in charge who sit on their ass doing nothing, because remember THEY'RE THE BURGEOUISE!!!!!

Any economic system is only as good as the resources that drive it and the government that oversees it.

>>3
that sentence only makes sence if your 14 and retarded. gb2 introductory economics

>>4
f'real (not the same person)

Don't give me that economics shit. That supply and demand shit is a charade. Prices are set on whatever the companies feel like setting them at. The USA can be a trillion dollars in debt, won't make any difference. Inflation doesn't mean anything. The USA can just print money out of thin air and inflation will never happen because the spirit of the money is too strong.

have you ever lived under communism? its hell, i have family form the ussr.

Marx's only struggle in life was to keep up a perception of deceit!

My family is from poland and finland, and ive been to east germany a lot as a kid. Hell it was not. It wasnt that good either, but at least there were no homelesness, no starvation, no crazy christians in power, free education for everybody, decent pensions, free public transportation for the elderly etc. Its not like that anymore in either russia, poland or east germany and a lot of people (=not rich people) are nostalgic because they feel that thay had it better. Are they wrong?  

That wasn't even true communism anyway.

>>9 Those are small aspects of an entire situation, and that is now. Back then disillusionment and envy of the west was what caused the communist bloc to give up - although some cunnilinguists give credit to Saint Rayguns insane administration.

Thank you Mikhail Gorbachev for what you done.

I love Mikhail Gorbachec, Kruschev, Stalin and Lenin. I love them all! I would suck on any of their stankholes if I had the chance, just so long as I don't actually have to live in Russia or any state which implements the ideals I love so much for that matter.

Communism is a noble ideal but it can't be implemented.  We need to stick to Democratic Socialism.

>>14

no, we have to get rid of all liberals then problem solved

Yes. We must get rid of the liberals. Disproving liberalism to 300 million people will be quite a task since it is so staunch full of fallacies, but if every non-liberal convinces at least 1 person that liberalism is nonsense in their life time it is possible.

>>16
200 million is my estimate of the total world population of liberals, I was not referring to the population of the USA.

300 million*

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Since the post he was referring to mentioned Democratic Socialism I think it’s safe to assume >>15 was talking about liberals in the European since, aka classical liberalism or libertarianism

>>19
Liberals in europe are just like liberals in the US.

>>20

but where they are, in the US, on the left wing of the scale, they are on the right in europe

>>21
No they aren't.

>>22
What the fuck? I live in Europe and here liberals are right wing and kinda like what you call libertarians in US.

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>>23
They aren't. They are all socialists. In the UK "libertarianism" is a word rarely heard.

Well in sweden liberals are right winged cunning linguists who wants da sekret polizei to surveilence schoolkids for suspicious behaviour like listening to rock music, wearing a turban, smoking, reading anything other than Ayn Rand and not being able to speak whitout an accent. And as far as i know, thats like an amerikan leftist position, whereas the amerikkan right wants to hang strange fruits in trees in guantanamo or abu ghraib. And swedish liberals fucking hate socialism more than hitler (this is true).

>>25
That maybe in UK, but here in Finland liberals are right wing and close what Americans call libertarians. They really dislike left wing and socialism.

Here in Sparta are librarians on the left wing.

Classical liberalism is free-market, small government, essentially what we in the US call a "Libertarian".

Leftist liberalism is socialist, big government, nanny-state.

Any future posts please distinguish between these two types of liberalism, as there's a big difference between them.

My understanding is the european "liberals" are more like classical liberals than leftist liberals. But I haven't been to europe so my understanding is subject to being vastly incorrect.

>>29
No, you are wrong. Leftist liberals (what we at least in sweden call social liberals, i e Rawlsian liberals) are right wing compared to socialists. Socialists define society through class relationships, distribution of ownership and power, liberals through individual rights. Socialists agenda are the abolishment of class society and therefore capitalism, while liberals believe that this world is the best possible world and it should only so slightly modified, but never radically changed (at least thats what they have told me when i have asked them) which mean i guess, that they have no agenda except conservation of the status quo, as long as this status quo does not violate any indivudual right.  

Eezh. Replace "Leftist liberalism" with "the American idea of the left, as characterized by Democrats", for clarity. Sorry for the confusion. This topic always confuses vocabularies.

Most communist supporters are fat asses. I suppose it's because they're hard workers.

>>32
Most capitalist supporters are stupid as fuck. I guess its because their reading material is so eclectic.

Most capitalist supporters are not stupid as fuck. The stupid fucks are the socialists and commies. There's probably a causal relationship here.

>>34
How many capitalist supporters have read Marx? How many communist supporters have read Adam Smith? The ratio is not one, i assure you. Googling for "leftist intellectuals" leads to 23 300 hits while "rightist intellectuals" yields 109 hits. And yes, there is a causal relationship here, but not the one you´d want.

Capitalism isn't rightist. It's just not leftist. Libertarians and Republicans agree on something, that doesn't mean it's a right-wing thing. Libertarians and leftists agree on some things also, those things cannot be considered exclusively leftist. A google search for "libertarian intellecutals" yeilds 437,000 hits. Stick that up your ass.

I'm a capitalist and I've read the Communist Manifesto. I haven't read Das Kapital as I haven't found a free version of it as I have the Manifesto and various free-market economics books, but I've heard numerous of the ideas contained within.

From what I've read of Marx, I think he misidentified the oppressor class. It's not the owners of the means of production that are exploiting, it's the owners of the means of destruction (the government). The bigtime capitalists happen to be in bed with the government, so while some of the big businessmen are certainly bad, they aren't bad as a class of people. Agorist class theory (http://www.agorism.info/AgoristClassTheory.pdf) is demonstrably superior to Marxist class theory as illustrated in the PDF I just linked to.

>>35
I used to be quite a liberal, but after reading the communist manifesto I edged towards libertarianism. I still hold the same anti-tyranny feelings as any other liberal, except I am not a fucking idiot.

>>36
"Libertarian intellecutals" yields 0 hits
"libertarian intellectuals" yields 1 830 hits.
leftist intellectuals (without the "") yields 751 000 hits. How does it feel to be assraped?

Capitalism is not rightist, but capitalist generally support are.  Libertarianism is just a joke that nobody in their right mind takes seriously, its like the utopians of old, making up there own perfect clockwork societies that would be perfect if it werent for this or that.
And as gift from me to you, a cookie: http://www.econlib.org/LIBRARY/YPDBooks/Marx/mrxCpA.html

>>38
So you believe freedom from rule by despotism, freedom of speech and human rights are "a joke that nobody in their right mind takes seriously, its like the utopians of old, making up there own perfect clockwork societies that would be perfect if it werent for this or that."

You know what. Fuck you. LIBERTY OR DEATH!!!

>>35
The relationship is that leftist like to feel superior about themselves and will constantly tell you what great minds they have. It doesn't surprise me that there are 23,300 hits for "leftist intellectual", if all I did was run around talking about how smart I was compared to everyone else then I'm bound to produce a lot more hits on google than somebody who actually accomplishes something intelligent without trying to brag about it.