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Corporations in America

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-10 13:44

As I hear this consistent talk about how the private sector is much more capable than government to operate social programs, and how tax cuts are needed to spur the economic growth so that the corporations can be later taxed, I present an interesting source.

http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/corptax.html

The American income provided for comparison is a family making $30,000 per annum, at a rate of 17% federal income tax.  What is truely interesting is that many large corporations get substantially less federal taxation, and in some cases, are refunded for taxes they never paid.  This is a strange case indeed, as it seems that these "tax cuts to spur economic growth" are rather redundant, as many corporations are paying less than the taxes of impoverished people. 

Libertarian doctrine is obsessive about telling us that government should be weakened, and the spending of the government curtailed to allow the market to grow.  It is rather amusing that the people who benefit most from this plan are not the people who pay the most relative taxes, but the people who pay the lowest percentage of taxes, despite how enormous that 1.8% may be (here's looking at you Microsoft).

It makes me wonder why so many middle class families believe the libertarians want to help them.  The middle class bears the brunt of the highest taxes, and is the true "common men" of America.  When libertarians argue that a graduated tax bracket makes it discouraging to become rich, they need only read the nice steady 1.8% that Microsoft pays to the federal government.  Ah, what a burden it is to be rich.

American corporations are truely the scourge of the market. And they themselves are proof of the "high tide raises all boats" myth expounded by various corporations and economic theorists.  Simply take a look at the GDP of various nations.

http://people.hofstra.edu/geotrans/eng/ch2en/conc2en/globalgdp.html

As the chart shows, America doesn't generate so huge a GDP as many would like to assume, and that it is about 3 times that of Japan and 5 times that of Germany. Now that you know the scale of global GDP, look at this source. (Click on Facts and Figures)

http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/executive.html

What is evidenced by the diagram is that in Japan, a corporation executive makes 11 times that of a factory floor worker, and likely with due cause (i.e. owning/starting the business), in Germany it is a larger 12 times. (Still reasonable)  Now go over to American corporation executives......Hrm. It seems that American CEOs make a staggering 475 times more money than the factory floor worker.  What is being drawn here is that the United States' policy of "rising tide" is not narrowing the income disparity, but widening it, making the rich MUCH richer, and the poor MUCH poorer.

Libertarians will sometime outcry that government facilitates this taxation, and must be weakened to prevent further injustice.  But I ask Libertarians, with the current system, what empirical proof do you have that doing so will rein in the income disparity?  What evidence do you have that doing so will not be what the corporations would prefer?  Herein lies the evidence of pessimistic outlook of Libertarians, would not justice be achieved if politicians were honorable? Would not the corporate sway be stymied if politicians rejected their bribes and lobbying? Would not taxation be truely graduated if loopholes were closed for large corporations? Would not federal programs and funding increase if corporations actually started paying their share? Why, if they actually paid, lower taxes across the board would be actually JUSTIFIED.  But of course, Libertarians will tell you that all politicians are corrupt, excluding themselves, and that the inherent evil nature of man evaporates in the private sector.  Businesses should exist to make money, government should exist to enforce the people's will, and the people's will is the only sovereign power, without it's grace, business would not exist.

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-12 1:28

>>8
"Every time I see a American CEO, I imagine them getting shot.
Brings a smile to my face every time."

And liberals say libertarians lack compassion and mercy.

"All this talk of libertarian policy, why, if it's so goddamn great why hasn't it been implemented?"

LOL! In case you hadn't noticed, it HAS been implimented - at least partially.  Reagan, though far from a perfect and principled libertarian, enacted some moderate economic reforms and our economy boomed because of it. 

"If you don't like the system, you have two options: 1 Overthrow the government, or 2 Fucking leave."

Or I could frequent websites like this where we are supposed to be discussing politics anyways, and... discuss libertarianism - a political ideology/theory/party.

"You'll never be elected with that pompous attitude, and frankly, who would want an arrogant fuckhead like you to run our country."

Plenty of libertarians have been elected.  Of course they aren't as big as either major party, but they have grown as a party quite a lot over the years.

"If you really cared about the poor or the disenfranchised, you'd be fucking helping them, not asking Uncle Sam for a tax cut for the rich to spur "economic growth" that the poor get nothing from."

Yeah, because a prosperous economy doesn't help the poor at all, right?

"America is a two party system, Libertarians should get the fuck out, NOBODIES FORCEING YOU TO BE HERE."

The USA has two major political parties, yes, but third parties are on the ballots, have and will likely continue to win here and there, or pressure other candidates to at least listen to some of their ideas occasionally, and that is just dandy to me. 

Why are you trying to push someone with different views than you out of the country? Are you that much of an intolerant little fascist that if my political views aren't defined by either the word 'liberal', or the word 'conservative' that I should 'get the fuck out'?

I am well aware nobody is forcing me to be here.  So what? Nobody is forcing anyone of any particular viewpoint to stay here, last I checked. 

"People in the richest, most luxurious nations of the world kill themselves."

Actually, that is false.  Of course some people might commit suicide, but you say 'people' in the richest, most luxurious nations of the world kill themselves - which is a general statement, implying that it is generally true - which it is not.  That statement is generally false, since 'people' in the richest, most luxurious nations of the world don't generally kill themselves.

"America hasn't stymied death, cured disease, fed the hungry, clothed the poor, avoided war, or transcended human fallacy in any way."

Actually, that is false as well.  The USA has and is continuing to come up with medical advances. 

As for feeding the hungry?
http://www.antiwar.com/paul/?articleid=8926
Americans voluntarilly contribute three times more to helping those overseas than does the U.S. Government.  No doubt, at least some of these charitable donations is going to feed and clothe poor people.

As for avoiding war? No, we haven't.  Not recently at least, because we haven't had a libertarian congress, senate, and white house.  The libertarian party is adverse to overseas military adventures, and it is safe to assume that if we had a libertarian government, we would indeed have 'avoided war', or at least avoided more wars than we have as is.

"They've just given the world products to perpetuate desire, to recoil from fear or pain."

Yeah, those stinkin' capitalists! How dare they attempt make products that people will enjoy at affordable prices.  What a bunch of assholes!

"Wealth doesn't buy happiness.  Grub your money till you die, you can take it to rot with your corpse."

I have to disagree with you yet again.  I'm rather sure I'd be at least a little happier if I was a millionaire. 

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