The Patriot Act

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Discuss.

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin

"How do I shot web"
-Spidey

>>2  Terrorist!

Ben Franklin was a rebel indeed
He liked to get naked while he smoked on the weed
He was a genius but if he was here today
The government would fuck him up his righteous A!

>>1
That woman reminds me of one of those bitches who had one of their kids get shot at school, and who then wants to impliment stringent gun control laws.  They are both kindof the same - they seem to think because their family member has died, we should remove the 2nd and/or 4th amendments to the Bill of Rights.

>>6
Yup she's a bitch.

>>7

Seconded

>>6
Right on.  Many people who fear terrorism in this country sicken me.  They point at their own misfortune and claim that we should immediately focus on their problems at the expense of our happiness and liberty, even at a time when countless times more people every year die in the United States from disease, malnourishment, accident, or domestic violence.

Fuck that bitch.

>>9  Couldn't agree more.

We interfere with other countries and warlords start causing havoc and blaming the US (even though the US military is trying to stop the chaos), we do nothing we are called selfish for not sharing our wealth (even though we spent billions of dollars and 100s of lives ousting Saddam).

I say fuck it, let's just go mongol on all these shitty countries and make them rich and prosperous like we did with Japan and Germany. It would bea one time thing. The liberals and commies can bitch about it all they want, but once it's done it's done and we don't have to worry about it anymore.

>>11
Yeah, because that worked SO well for Japan and Germany.

>>12
Yes. It did.

>>11
We can't do that shit anymore.  Guerilla warfare owns our ass.

You really only have two options in the modern world: accept some unpleasant regimes in your life or go balls out, invading unwanted regimes and putting equally brutal ones in their place.  Option #2 is impossible in the middle east unless we were to run the occupation like Hitler and gas pretty much all the Shiites, including those in Iran.  Then the Sunis would be happy with us and we'd have a peaceful middle east.  Too bad it only works if you commit genocide.

>>1
That cunt.

>>14
It only owns our ass because of hippies crawling up our ass banning napalm and carpet bombing.

The conquest of Japan and Germany involved a little intrigue. Skim the extremist upper echelons of the government off, but leave most of the moderate bureaucracy intact. You know. The velvet gauntlet strategy the Romans used...

The people who weren't really all that interested in their tyrant's fascist jargon anyway don't die fighting to the death and use their authority to persuade lessers to stay in line with the same efficiency as before their tyrant was replaced.

The coalition fucked up Iraq, but no one seem to care why. They fucked up Iraq because they used shock and awe to completely obliterate the Saddam regime and spent too much time making deals with small splinter groups instead of using shock and awe to wrestle control over the remainder of the regime. In the same way that you use extreme deterants and extreme rewards to cow the bureaucracy, you use the bureaucracy to utilise their usual deterants to a certain extent, whilst you issue resources to pre-occupy various groups and leaders with re-constructing their country. If a leader starts acting like a savage, you get Saddam's ex-thugs to sort him out and make an example of him. Other leaders, even those affiliated with him will simply see the leader (and whatever ideal caused him to act like a savage) as a loser (or naive if they agree with his ideals).

>>16
"It only owns our ass because of hippies crawling up our ass banning napalm and carpet bombing."

Doubtful.  When the Soviet Union tried to control Afghanistan, did they have the same limmitations on them? They were a superpower as well.  I think guerrilla warfare in general is just hard to deal with when you are in an unfamiliar area, especially a city full of people who don't like you, and who are dedicated to the cause of making sure you don't control the region.

>>17
They lost because they used different tactics. If they used the velvet gauntlet strategy they would have won.