Something For XEL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCI5opHrf_8&mode=related&search=

Xel, reading a number of your statements, I can see that you aren't very big on libertarian PRINCIPLES, and that you are buying into utilitarian ideas.  I'd like to take the time to point you in the direction of this little video I found on youtube here...

Pay attention to what he is saying about principles & utilitarianism, as I think this is a crucial difference between the way you think, and the way I think. 

If you and I agree on something, say, the legalization of drugs, but we disagree with each other on WHY drugs should be legalized, there will likely be other ways in which we don't see eye to eye. 

You may also want to hear what he says about regulation of the economy, libertarianism, crime, etc.

This is just a discussion about how much money is taxed and spent on something other than national defense or law enforcement by the government.

Libertarians need to realise in a democracy people are going to vote in a government which taxes the rich if 1% of the population owns 99% of the wealth or whatever.

Utilitarians need to realise that laissez faire capitalism is an economic system that touches off a few concepts which are logically infallible considerring the circumstances and what we are capable of. The effects are superior to any bureaucracy the human mind could generate.

HARD communists such as Xel enjoy sucking on the throbbing marxist idea that civilisation is steadily getting more nationalised and evolving towards a super happy wonderful communist system. Don't ask me why socialists specifically use language denoting thick lengthy pipe-like objects, they are quite unusual people. Anyways if you apply logic and reasonning to the situation instead of... whatever communists used to come up with their ideas... you will find the truth and the future is a little more complex.

After basic liberties are established there will be a steady increase in other liberties and a subsequent decrease in corruption and economic improvement due to increased criticism and economic freedom. If there is inequality the poor will vote to tax the rich etc.. That's a given and has nothing to do with socialism. It doesn't take a genius, just a bunch of people voting for populists to change the law. No worker's uprising. Corruption includes welfare which does not aid people in finding work, unfortunately such welfare will accompany non-corrupt welfare that funds orphanages etc..

As the society becomes more meritocratic with a larger proportion of new citizens enterring on a level playing field, equality will be the organic result of the free-market and welfare will decrease in favour of more efficient private alternatives. Demand for unskilled labour would be so high that even a mentally and physically disabled ex-con drug addict could get a job and live a middle class lifestyle.

Frankly, I don't see why people deny these irrefutable facts.