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Name: Anonymous 2006-11-20 15:15

http://www.thelastoutpost.com/site/991/default.aspx

Looks pretty sweet. 

TIP:  Let the movie load totally first so you can watch it without bumpyness.

Name: Anonymous 2006-11-20 15:39

http://www.freedomtofascism.com/downloads/dvd.html

You can buy the DVD, or watch it free on google there. 

Enjoy folks!

Name: Anonymous 2006-11-20 15:45

Name: Anonymous 2006-11-20 17:15

>>1
Great promo.  I'll be looking into getting the video.

Name: Anonymous 2006-11-20 19:12

Think about that debt though, INCOME tax doesn't even pay the debt we have, can you say foreclosure in chinese?

Name: Anonymous 2006-11-20 19:29

>>5
LOL. 

Yeah, we gotta get as many people as we can to see this film.  Spread it around the net. 

Name: Anonymous 2006-11-20 22:41

>>5
They are using it to pay the INTEREST on the debt.

Name: Anonymous 2006-11-21 16:17

This movie rules.. spread it far and wide people.

Name: Anonymous 2006-11-21 16:18

Here's the link to the free google video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198&q=

I'd encourage you to purchase it though, its only 14.99 from amazon, and its a superb little film.

Name: Anonymous 2006-11-21 23:45

These people are somewhat....retarded.

When the hell was this made?  I did a fucking google search on "income tax law" and found this law that none of those retards could find requiring citizens to pay an income tax.  Look: http://uscode.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode26/usc_sup_01_26_10_A_20_1.html

Black and white.  And the whole argument that the 16th amendment was never ratified is sketchy and without too much merit, even if it were true.

What I DO like about the film is that it attacks a federal income tax as inefficient, needless, and undesirable.  But goddamnit, no one will ever listen to these kool-aid drinkers' arguments for a change in tax law because they insist on trying to grab attention with these idiotic sensationalist arguments. "Fascism ZOMG, they never ratified the amendment!!!1ONE."

Fucking asshats.

Name: Anonymous 2006-11-22 17:50

>>10
Oh really? Go and collect your 50 grand then dumbass.

Name: Anonymous 2006-11-22 19:03

>>10
Which subsection and part would that be, I'm not seeing it.

Name: Anonymous 2006-11-23 6:57

>>12
I want this answered.

Name: Anonymous 2006-11-24 8:22

I'm still fucking waiting, ten.

Name: Anonymous 2006-11-26 14:33

10 got owned.

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-23 20:51

Wow I just saw this movie... good stuff.  EVERYONE should see it asap!

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-23 22:31

I thought massive national spending helps economics in times of need.(Like in the Depression, the first time we ever did this) what I don't like is spending tax dollars on stupid shit like a war that we won't ever win. We set objectives for Operation Iraq Freedom way to high, there is no way we can win this and need to stop messing with foreign affairs and start working on domestic affairs.

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-23 22:41

okay this movie is now officially stupid
"why would the American Government pay fees for a debt when they can just print the money themselves?"
That has to be the fucking stupidest thing I have ever fucking heard, this would cause massive inflation.(American dollar would be worth an American dime)

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-23 23:14

>>18
i was about to watch it but after i saw that i loled and figured anything else they say would not be trustworthy. ty anonymous

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-24 3:39

This is the basis that these conspiracy nuts have for their "omg no law" theories:

"Some tax protesters, conspiracy investigators, and others opposed to income taxes cite what they contend is evidence that the Sixteenth Amendment was never "properly ratified." One such argument is that because the legislatures of various states passed resolutions of ratification with different capitalization, spelling of words, or punctuation marks (e.g. semi-colons instead of commas) from the text proposed by Congress, those states' ratifications were invalid. A related argument is that various states illegally violated procedural requirements of their constitutions when passing their ratification resolutions. Another argument made by some tax protesters regards Ohio, one of the states listed as ratifying the amendment. They contend that because Congress did not pass an official proclamation recognizing Ohio's date of admission (1803) to statehood until 1953 (see Ohio Constitution), Ohio was not a state until 1953 (and, therefore, could not have ratified the Sixteenth Amendment). These and similar arguments have been universally rejected by the courts."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

In other words, they are FUCKING RETARDED.

>>12
Read the law you moron:
"The power to impose taxes (whether deemed direct or indirect taxes) is granted by Article I, section 8, clause 1. Indirect taxes (or "excises," in the parlance of the text of the Constitution) are required to be geographically uniform, according to Article I, section 8, clause 1 and the court decisions interpreting that provision (see Knowlton v. Moore[4] and Flint v. Stone Tracy Co.[5])."

>>18
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
omg good stuff. Sorry, Russo, it's been done, and failed every time, even here in America! See: the Confederacy.

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-24 11:50

>>19
thanks for agreeing with me
Its so fucking stupid
"AMERICA WANTS TO GET RID OF THE MIDDLE CLASS"
and get rid of skilled labor and professionals?
America would become extremely weak if they did that, the middle class has been probably one of the best wealth classes to have in the economy. Yes, I'm talking about the French Revolution

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-24 14:07

Also the American dollar is equal to the Gross National Product, it is also a product, has supply and demand, and is worth something. The federal reserve is what protects the value of it(or at least tries) it also makes sure your money is safe

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-24 15:44

the federal reserve is evil

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-24 22:20

>>23
no its not, it actually does a great job of protecting the American dollar(since the FDR days) It was however the federal reserve that helped cause the depression, but since then they are way more careful

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-24 23:38

>>24
Nothey haven't, they have just been consistently leaching from the economy so it looks like the economy as is as good as it gets and we are not in a major vicious pointless depression. We could in fact be a lot "richer". I put "richer" in double apostrophes because we are in fact poor as a result of the federal reserve and would be average if currency was privatised.

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-25 15:16

>>25
you just proved my point, we could be alot "richer", and any basic economic student knows, the bigger they are, the harder they fall. So the question is..
do you want a stable economy or crazy thrill ride of money?
the crazy thrill ride is bad for human physiology

Name: Xel 2006-12-25 16:28

>>26 But at least it would be a *decent*, *good*, *honorable*, *just*, *fair*, *gorgeous*, *creamy* and ****LIBERATED**** thrill ride that would be really bad for us.

Libertarianistism -It's all about being orthodox and pure, since at least the suffering will be approved by the high council.

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-25 22:19

>>27
Xel you are such a faggot
How could a Libertarian pay off the national debt?

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-25 22:25

>>28
by not creating one

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-25 23:40

>>29
yes, true, but its there, America will just go down the drain probably, unless we start acting fast

Name: Xel 2006-12-26 13:58

>>30 You can privatize Soc. Sec. Yes it is a stupid, unnecessary, useless and risky step but it is privatization so it must be excellent! And Good! And Just! And... CRISPY! PRIVATIZE!

Actually, last time they tried that in Chile in the exact same way they got fucked. But at least they got fucked justly, beautifully and rightly. PRIVATIZE!

Idiots - focus on Health care costs and leave Soc. Sec. the fuck alone for now. Fuck Bush.

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-26 14:42

>>31
Privatisation is more efficient and will provide better services to social security recipients. If you think it should continue to be nationalised then you must hate poor people or something.

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-26 15:54

>>32
It's not quite that simple.  Privitization OVER TIME is more efficient.  There is, however, a transition period to be considered.  Secondly, all forms of privitized institutions must still be regulated in some way by the government.  That said, regarding Social Security specifically, you're quite right in that government control over the system is spiraling towards failure because it is funded ass-backwards. 

But fixing the problem is  much more complicated than putting it in the hands of the market, in my opinion.

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-27 1:16

>>33
Of course there is a transition period, but the market sorts that out. The government puts the service on sale and businesses buy it and set up their own companies to increase the value of their shares. Some very well organised businesses with intelligent determinned people would be involved in the buy outs, since their shares would increase significantly. The government may ask to retain shares in the services for a period of time so that they can influence the decisions of the new business without having to resort to "regulation".

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-27 1:35

>>31
Rather than privatizing social security, we should just axe the whole fucking system.

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-27 5:53

>>35
There might be a market for social security. It's like a cross between savings and insurance.

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-30 5:23

Yeah, people should be allowed to do with their money what they want.

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-30 7:35

>>33 Secondly, all forms of privitized institutions must still be regulated in some way by the government.

At present, sale of shoes is unregultated.

If the government suddenly started making shoes, they create a government institution.

If we privatized it, do we have to regulate it in some way by the government?

No. Let's privatize it, not take socialized institutions and fascize them.

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-30 19:28

>>31
Fuck Kerry and the democrats too for fucking up market health care.  Fuck them again for wanting to nationalize it and blaming the market for high health care costs that are clearly the fault of their own party.

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-31 6:47

>>39
National health care is awesome, fuck you. Everyone should have the right to health care, it is a goddamn human right. "Shit, sorry sir, I can't cure you, you don't have enough money to buy your life. Umm ok lol gtfo"

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