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Affirmative Action Banned!

Name: Anonymous 2006-11-09 21:25

My state (Michigan) has wisely followed in the foosteps of California and banned racist/sexist affirmative action programs in Michigan, that would have discriminated against people based on nothing but their gender or the color of their skin, all in the name of promoting equality.  

It passed by a pretty wide margin 58% - 42% of the vote.. or, another way of looking at it: 

2,137,574  ---  YES on stopping AA
1,552,459  ---  NO on stopping AA

Hopefully this'll spread like wildfire throughout the rest of the states. 

Name: AC 2006-12-06 7:07

>>198

You're confused. I don't think meritocracy is racism, I simply haven't seen any indication that:

1. America is a meritocracy.

2. That Affirmative Action is opposed to the concept of meritocracy.

Why do you immediately assume that because his mother is white she is rich and doesn't need a job? Racist.

Because typically speaking a vast majority of the whites in this country control a vast majority of the wealth. Because the majority of blacks in this country live below the poverty line. If it's wrong for me to insinuate that generally whites are middle-class or higher because there is a historic instituationalized cultural and social feedback-system in place to insure their success and meritability, then it is wrong for you to insinuate that blacks are generally low-class due to an intrinstic lack of ambition or ability on their part- therefore making them "unmeritable by default".

>>199

Let's say the black applicant isn't meritable--- what is the real choice here? The choice is a meritable candidate vs. a less meritable candidate.  The meritable candidate should win.

I understand that. But, what I have repeatedly asked is why is it assumed that the black applicant isn't meritable in the first place? Why is it assumed that all positions or potential positions held by a white person were gained solely based on meritability? What is wrong with Affirmative Action if all it does is force racist company owners to employ meritable races who's demographic could, quite frankly, use the "boost". Why are these questions so hard to answer and why have they been constantly avoided? 

The very notion of affirmative action is rooted in the same kind of primeval racist collectivism that you are espousing here.  That kind of racial collectivism really has no place in any good society.

Would you say western society, or more specifically American society, is basically "good"? If so, I have some bad news: Western society was built upon racial collectivism. If just for one second, you'd use your brain for something other than divising clever ways to disguise your obvious lack of cognitive ability, you'd see that Affirmative Action actually address that racial collectivism in a way that many had not predicted.

Affirmative Actions brings light to the fact that as things now stand...America is clearly not a meritocracy. And simply based on racial disparity stats alone- it doesn't appear to be making any attempt to be. The kind of society you think you live in; simply doesn't exist for others...or perhaps...it just doesn't exist for anyone.

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