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Name: Anonymous 2006-11-02 3:57

what's so bad about it again?

Agreed it's not something that should be shoved down the throat of the populous, but rather chosen after going through capitalism and then socialism. If a country realises they all must work together for the betterment of the nation rather than the individual, what's wrong with that?

Name: Anonymous 2006-11-03 11:16

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You can look at the ideals of capitalism and communism. You can also look at the reality of capitalism and communism under despotic states, then you can look at the reality of capitalism under democracies of varying liberty and how a democratic state runs it's monopolies.

In the case of both communist-despotisms and capitalist-despotisms the economy is the government, whether the government runs the economy or the economy runs the government they are both 2 cheeks of the same ass. No questions asked, they're both kleptocracies, a tyranny, practically the only type of government until 500 years ago when the Swiss peasants realised they were a military resource.

Now let's take a look at those democracies...

If the economic system cannot be judged by the people and a myriad of professional economists under a free press then whatever the economic system is it will be heavily corrupt from day one. Democracy's success is not due to virtue, rather it is due to it's vast reduction in vice and the contrast this generates with inefficient corrupt despotisms. In a democracy people are convinced that the state should take care of a few services and leave everything else to a regulated free market because it has been time tested to be a reliable and effective economic system. Democracy is populist and thus is evolutionary because the average worker person doesn't want the government to do anything that might risk their comfortable standard of living. This is universal with all populists. Even extremist populists like Hugo Chávez aren't going to touch the majority of the capitalist market with a 90 ft pole, I don't think Chavez has even used the word "communist" since his university days.

While communism is not necessarily worse than capitalism your set piece for understanding economic systems is wrong. Economics is 1% theory, 99% practice. socialists seem to love comparing communism to tribal societies. Tribal societies haven't changed for years and there are only 3 professions, Man, Woman and Child. If I were to assume tribal societies are communist and worthwhile my next question would be how you will create a culture for an immensely complex and diverse economy, one where it is very difficult for someone to master even one of the sciences necessary for the smooth running of the economy and which contains millions of people operating in a market with 1000s of completely different sectors. Point in note, even men and women in tribal hunter gatherer societies are pretty much university level trappers, trackers, hunters, weavers, cooks, carpenters and builders. How anyone can expect to get every adult to that level so that a communist society 10000s times bigger and diverse will work I don't know.

With grasping such scales which are beyond the human mind, things like the free market become much more desirable than state monopolies, even in our theoretical developped stable culturally enlightenned democratic-communism. Government should be small.

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