So what are you?

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i got Liberal Libritarian

Left-leaning libertarian, although I consider myself a moderate, reality-based technocrat libertarian with communitarian ideas. I believe few things are innate or intrinsic.

>>2

what manner of moonspeak is this? Anonymous knows not these difficult words.

It says I am a centrist right leaning libertarian, but I prefer to think of myself as a right-wing-communist left-wing-fascist technocratic utilitarian objectivist monarchic meritocratic capitalist totalitarian communitarian socialist atheist fundamentalist autocratic democratic republican anarchist.

>>3
Translation: Swedish Namefag

>>5
Xel isn't swedish.

>>6 Yes I am, fella. Have i given any direct indication otherwise? Absolut Vodka, Greta Garbo, pillaging, ABBA, Anita Ekberg, Selma Lagerlöf, Astrid Lindgren, the zipper, milk cartons, the genus classification system, A whole bunch of elements, furniture that comes in flat packages, meatballs, hard-core socialism, the only alphabet that uses å ä & ö, The Knife, The Cardigans, Iggy Pop... That is some of my heritage. Yay me.
>>5 Newsflash baby: there are some words in this world that you do not know or understand.
>>4 Those monikers are either diametrically opposed to each other in theory or in practice. My self-description doesn't eat itself just because you

>>7 "My self-description doesn't eat itself just because you" I should finish my sentences. "Just because you aren't up to speed" was my intended post.

>>7
Retype one of your arguments in swedish and I will ask one of my friends if you are legit.

Libertarian.  100% Personal and Economic freedom rating, is mine.

I score liberal.

>>2
libertarian with communitarian ideas
Isn't that mutually exclusive? Or just moderate?

>>9 "Newsflash baby: there are some words in this world that you do not know or understand." Det finns ord i den här världen som du inte känner till eller förstår, betyder det. "Newsflash" är lite mer svåröversättligt tycker jag, men det är ett användbart ord ne? Förresten röstade jag på centern och Federley. Klarade jag testet?

>>11 "Isn't that mutually exclusive? Or just moderate?" Communitarian puts the focus on the environment and group one belongs to. It doesn't require mob rule, conformity or protectionism, it just teaches how things have a tendency to accumulate and that how cooperation works. I think it is compatible. And yes I am a left-leaning libertarian - 70 economic, 100 social.

Libertarian

Your PERSONAL issues Score is 100%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 70%.

>>13
Communitarian puts the focus on the environment and group one belongs to.
Libertarianism emphasizes the individual, and communitarianism emphasizes the community. If you mix the two, you end up with something that is neither.

How do you reconcile this?

>>15
I guess it's voluntary communism like in anarcho-communism. Otherwise will not work, unless between close friends.

>>16
It can't be voluntary communism, because libertarianism entails a laissez faire market. Besides, libertarianism has to be voluntary by definition.

Mix libertarianism and communitarianism and you get... a moderate? Oh noes.

Here's a more detailed test:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

(I get Economic Left/Right: -7.63; Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.26, making me a strong left-wing liberal).

>>17
But voluntary communism can exist under any capitalist system that allows basic liberties to it's citizens. I have always wondered why all those commies don't start their own communes...

>>19
Well, it's not as if vocal libertarian capitalists organized the corporations they establish in accordance to their professed ideals of freedom.

>>7
Fail.

>>19,20
People who won't "eat the dogfood" of their political beliefs are maddening. It's intensely annoying when they act as if their rules shouldn't apply to them.

I would pay good money to see political philosophers be forced to live in the world they advocate. A large number would change their tune pretty quick.

>>15 There is a difference between recognizing something and enforcing it. Communitarianism, at least the type I read about, focuses on defining a system that accumulates, allowing every individual to make better choices in a night-watcher state. It doesn't seek to enforce a community, just encourage it, argument for it and provide a scientific basis for how communities take shape. There is a slippery slope in that kind of thinking as well, of course, but I can reconcile.
>>16 Communitarianism is not voluntary communism, since it doesn't want a strong government that demands economic or social conformity. It wants to create a good model for a civilization that is compatible with human nature and spirit.
>>17 "Mix libertarianism and communitarianism and you get... a moderate? Oh noes." Communitarianism is about suggestions, evaluations and moderations of a system through intellectual, non-arbitrary means. It is compatible with a night-watcher state.
>>22 Seconded.

focuses on defining a system that accumulates
Accumulates what?

What is a "night-watcher" state?

It doesn't seek to enforce a community, just encourage it,
This seems redundant. People are social animals, and do not need encouragement to form a community. In fact, without a community, there is no need for a political system.

provide a scientific basis for how communities take shape
What does that mean?

LIBERTARIANS support maximum liberty in both personal and

economic matters. They advocate a much smaller government; one

that is limited to protecting individuals from coercion and violence.

Libertarians tend to embrace individual responsibility, oppose

government bureaucracy and taxes, promote private charity, tolerate

diverse lifestyles, support the free market, and defend civil liberties.

>>23
Seconded?

Dude, you're a libertarian who claims to live in Sweden. A social democracy.

That sure ain't eating your own dogfood, lemme tell ya. It's more like the bourgeoisie rich kids slumming it out with the Marxists in the 20th century. What a hoot.

>>24 "Accumulates what?" Society. "What is a "night-watcher" state?" A state that only protects the borders, the streets, and peoples basic freedoms to life, property and body. "This seems redundant. People are social animals, and do not need encouragement to form a community. In fact, without a community, there is no need for a political system." Sure, but communitarianism isn't idealizing or propagating anything in particular, it is more of a field of sociology and anthropology.
"What does that mean?" Sort of, lay down terminology and empirical evidence on how societes are created and changed. Gridwork, so to speak.
>>26 I am not pleased with Sweden, but I do not wish to move to Switzerland or America. Since human nature is human nature, and since no country has really embraced it, why not start in a stable, pleasant country and start a change from there? There are hardcore libertarians landsmen of mine who seek to change Sweden because they love it and want it improved without turning it into a corporatist utopia. Google timbro or go to www.johannorberg.net

>>27
Man, let me give you a worthless piece of advice you're just going to ignore, coming from some anonymous and possibly lying idiot who's been around (and around, and around, and fucking hell did it hurt):

Before you swallow the Libertarian blue pill, you'll want to live a decade or so in a heavily privatized system.

Until you have, your political opinions are founded on flights of fancy and dry ink. Deciding the future of your nation on such ignorance should be criminally negligent.

>>28 Hey, I'm just 17 and still forming a complete position. An anti-left fellow I regularly read started off as a liberal and changed over 7 years, mostly due to Ayn Rand (whom I find to be a quite poor philosopher). I mean, I am not for a night-watcher state, but at the same time we must remember how the American government caused the depression (Fucking up the entire century despite the extremely promising twenties) or how most of the problems for the American consumer has been caused by the mixed economy. Before the minimum wage, balck and white teenagers had the same wages, largely. When employers were forced to pay a certain amount, their margins tightened and then racism kicked in, so black boy's wages decreased. Governemnt generallyy fucks up, that is just empirical knowledge. Read "In Defense of Global Capitalism" by Johan Norberg. It's not like some "eye-opener that will lead you off the foggy path of ignorance" (as if you were just an idiot that hasn't read the One Bok that Changes Everything) or some shit like that but it will tell you were I come from.

Im a centrist and almost a Libertarian,which means I have an open mind,but know that there something wrong with soceity

>>29
I know where you're coming from, but based on my experiences in my travels I also disagree. I'm not just a bookworm; I've eaten the dogfood and seen what it tastes like, then drew my conclusions.

Once you've gone on your own world tour and lived in several different economic (and political) systems, once you actually have something in your head beyond just the incomplete theories cherry-picked elsewhere, then I'll respect your political opinion, even if I disagree. In fact it's worse than that: you're 17, and in a nanny-state no less. Between parent(s) and state, what difficulties have you had? What problems have you solved?

You'll soon be a voter, and that ignorance can be dangerous. You should be taking the advice in >>22 the first chance you get. Study for an undergrad degree at a US university, do some language-related work in China, use your degree in Singapore, get a graduate degree in Australia, spend some of your saved-up money in South America, go live in the Balkans, et cetera.

>>28
Specific examples are good.

Me a niggar

What's a centrist?  lol

>>33
You are not allowed here.

>>34-35
Bumping five year old threads shouldn't be allowed here.

the link still works tho...

Libertarian. Anti-statist, voluntaryist, agorist, market anarchist, any way you want to phrase it.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

Conservative Independent. Free Market. Pro-Genocide of Muslims, clowns and mimes.