let's list 'em.
off the top of my head, there's ancient greece (philosophy! sculpture! tragedy!), rome (gladiators), the byzantine empire/constantinople (mosaics, awesome architecture), ancient india (uh.. elephants?), ancient egypt (pyramids and papyrus!) .. ancient china (vases, funny hats and robes), feudal japan (ninjas)
am I missing any? add please.
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Anonymous2006-09-16 10:53
You just made every historian in the world cry.
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Anonymous2006-09-16 11:03
Kinda shows much is told about Ancient India to masses. Probably cause those Chinamen don't want people to know where they stole their inventions.
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Token2006-09-16 11:37
Don't forget the black civilisation of Nubia who imitated everything the Egyptians did.
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Anonymous2006-09-16 12:37
Carthage (first civilization that came with buildings that were more than 3 floors, known for General Hannibal, who invaded Rome)
Babylonia (bible tells the tale of a tower, they were known for inventing and selling weapons and arts to their neighbours)
Macedonia (although grouped with the greeks, this is not the case, the Macedonians actually "united the hellen states" when they invaded and conquered the greeks, using that as a platform to conquer the ancient world. They conquered Egypt, surrounded Carthage, and then started eastward toward China. Unfortunately, they were defeated by the Indians (to get to China, you gotta go through India), and would later collapse, only to have their empire swallowed up by the Romans (they taking fruit from a child).)
Celt
(Similar to the Gauls, not really an empire, just a string of tribes and kingdoms who inhabited the British Isles before the Romans (or "White Man") invaded, best known for their burial practices and artistic sculpting, also known for Bodecia, a warrior queen, whose only military tactic was a blind charge, she was defeated by a roman contigent of infantry at 1/200th her army's size)
If you're meaning ancient, I wonder why you included feudal japan (12th to 19th century). Ancient japan had the people known as the Jomons, who were the first to invent Pottery. They were latered replaced by the Yayoi (known for shamanism), who emigrated from Korea, and later subjugated by Ancient China.
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Anonymous2006-09-16 12:47
>>5
Carthage appeared well after the Egyptians had built super-massive temples, fortresses and cities well over 3 storeys.
The Macedonians didn't conquer greece, they helped defeat 1 city state that had caused a civil war and said "lol we're going to invade persia, fight us or fight the persians with us.". They had no intention of going to China, these guys got to the Caspian sea and thought it was an encircling ocean. They hadn't even heard of China. They turned back because their soldiers had marched around 2000s of miles, fought endless battles and sieges. and wanted to go back home with their loot and live in opulent splendour. The Indians that they attacked all had their asses kicked.
The celts were white.
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Anonymous2006-09-16 14:59
THE CAANANITES WERE CONQUERED BY ANCIENT HEBREWS WHO CLAIMED THE LAND AS ISRAEL AND CREATED JUDAISM WHICH EVENTUALLY LEAD TO THE RISE OF CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM
Nubia was before Egypt. I don't know what the fuck people's problem is, but all this shit is basically common knowledge and the reason it seems "unbelievable" is because of what a shithole Africa presently is. Valid point, by my reasoning, but not enough to outright deny what we already know to be true, particalurly about greek philosophers. Didn't Plato and the rest have their induction ceremonies in pyramids? READ HIS WRITINGS BEFORE YOU START TALK SHIT ABOUT ANCIENT AFRICA. Logic dictate that if Modern Man came out of Africa, so did modern thinking. It didn't just fucking "POP UP" when people's skin color changed.
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Xel2006-09-16 15:36
The Carthagians were kinda cool. There was some alter-history book with the premise that the Carthagans handed the Romans their asses and then went on to enslave Germans and Gaules and Nords and whatnot, thereby inverting the black/white relationship. Sometimes I think that *this* current 'now' is really boring, but then I realize it's just as much of an inconceivable utopia as any other.
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Anonymous2006-09-16 22:03
>>8
But it's just a theory that man came from Africa. Hell, we don't know for sure where did man came from. He could be from anywhere, until we discover final proof.
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Anonymous2006-09-16 22:57
shit guys - i forgot persia. PERSIA.
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Anonymous2006-09-17 11:56
BABYLON IS WHERE WE GOT THE TOWER OF BABIL THAT SEPERATED ALL OUR LANGUAGES
"I don't know what the fuck people's problem is"
Criticism is an accepted method of determinning the truth. There is no problem.
"but all this shit is basically common knowledge and the reason it seems "unbelievable" is because of what a shithole Africa presently is."
The fact that Nubia did not arise before Egypt does not reflect on the present situation in Ethiopia and Somalia. I agree.
"Valid point, by my reasoning, but not enough to outright deny what we already know to be true, particalurly about greek philosophers. Didn't Plato and the rest have their induction ceremonies in pyramids? READ HIS WRITINGS BEFORE YOU START TALK SHIT ABOUT ANCIENT AFRICA."
The inhabitants of ancient North Africa were a major influence on the mediteranean world. The inhabitants of sub-saharran Africa were not a major influence on the mediteranean world.
"Logic dictate that if Modern Man came out of Africa, so did modern thinking."
Civilisation began approximately 65000 years after the first homo-sapien-sapiens ventured out of africa. Modern thinking did not necessarily begin in Africa.
"It didn't just fucking "POP UP" when people's skin color changed."
Skin colour is an irrelevant adaption in terms of intelligence. I agree.
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Anonymous2006-09-17 14:13
>>9
The CARTHAGINIANS were not black, they were arabian like Egyptians and Morrocans today. The book must have been exagerated since the Romans did not reach as far as Denmark or central Germany. Iberian-celts and gauls joined Hannibal in his invasion of Rome. Carthage was seperated from the rest of Africa which at the time still consisted of hunter gatherers and goat herders who produced very little metal.
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Anonymous2006-09-17 14:19
exaggerated*
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Anonymous2006-09-17 14:35
thread just made every historian in the world cry.
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Anonymous2006-09-17 16:32
A report by a roman commander, during the pillaging of carthage, stated his admiration for carthaginian architecture, which was able to create buildings that had multiple floors using the common materials of the day and still be structually sound against fire. This was just praise, since this was known as a "lost art" that not even the romans could reproduce (they used concrete instead). Buildings didn't gain this until the 15th century, and even then were not really structually sound.
FYI 3 floors <> 3 stories
Any tall building back in the day was made from stone or some other hard material. Carthaginians used wood and mud. If you tell yourself anyone could make a thatch wood hut, you're right. But ask a qualified structural engineer if he could make a building out of wood that had more than 3 floors above ground, and he'll tell you that it can't be done without reinforcing with harder materials.
You're right, "conquered" should have been replaced with "subjugated", which is what Alexander the Great did.
def. subjugated: to be placed under the laws and judgement to a foreign power; governmental control handled by a foreign power
Remember, Alexander the Great was NOT A GREEK. He controlled the greeks, which makes him a subjugator.
As for China, there were rumours of a great and WEALTHY civilization on the other side of the Indian ocean. He never got there, but if he did, you'd have railways being built at the time of the Great Library.
The celts were never white. Especially compared to the white-skinned romans. Another thing was that the quote "Veni Vidi Vici" (I Came, I Saw, I Conquered) was uttered by Julius Caesar when he set foot on the British Isles. This was really an historic achievement, since the British Isles were nothing more than myth.
Oh, and Babylonia was also the birthplace of the Alphabet. The english alphabet is based on the Latin (used by the Romans) based on the Greek inspired by the Babylonian alphabet.
Historical records show no account of a tower reaching to the heavens in ancient babylonia. However there were some theological arguments in Athens during the age of Antiquity of building a tower to speak with the Gods.
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Anonymous2006-09-17 20:00
Japan?
Japan was also perceived as a sophisticated feudal society with a high culture and a strong pre-industrial technology. It was more populated and urbanized than any Western country (in the 16th century, Japan had 26 million inhabitants against 16 million for France and 4.5 million for England). It had Buddhist “universities” larger than any learning institution in the West, such as Salamanca or Coimbra. Prominent European observers of the time seemed to agree that the Japanese "excel not only all the other Oriental peoples, they surpass the Europeans as well" (Alessandro Valignano, 1584, "Historia del Principio y Progreso de la Compañía de Jesús en las Indias Orientales).
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Anonymous2006-09-17 20:01
Anyway, the term ancient is bit vague.
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Anonymous2006-09-17 20:09
>>20
and dont forget that today japan is the most technological advanced country and its awesome and kawaii de su
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Anonymous2006-09-17 20:33
>>22
And ancient underwater ruins that are obviously remains of once powerful supercivilization that conquered whole world with animated series, comics, shitty RPGs, pixelated pornography and lolitas, oh wait...
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Anonymous2006-09-17 20:41
>>20
That makes Europe around the 16th century ANCIENT and makes 16th century Japan POST-ancient.
And ancient underwater ruins that are obviously remains of once powerful supercivilization that conquered whole world with animated series, comics, shitty RPGs, pixelated pornography and lolitas, oh wait...
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Oh so they built wooden structures larger than 3 storey using wood and mud. Oh how absolutely marvellous.
"As for China, there were rumours of a great and WEALTHY civilization on the other side of the Indian ocean. He never got there, but if he did, you'd have railways being built at the time of the Great Library."
This is abso-fucking lutely absurd. You are living in a twisted fucked up fantasy world. Alexander's army were worn out and tired, it would take years to tame and develop the nation to train enough hoplites and cavalry to have a chance of denting China who's population was much larger than the middle east and Greece put together at that time and by that time Alexander would be dead and the empire fragmented as usually happens after a great conqueror carves out a huge empire.
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the macedonian army and warfare strategy was the best in it's time during alexander's rule, nothing else comes close. besides, china's was still too busy fighting each other during the warring states period, i doubt alexander would have a hard time dealing with the masses of troops from the seven states combined thrown at him if he decided to push eastward instead of retiring back to babylon and dying a young death.