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What Happened to the Democrats?

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-10 19:24

I've been reading up on my American history, and it really seems like the democrats (founded by Thomas Jefferson, if I'm not mistaken) were THE pro-liberty party of the time, no?

What happened to them that turned them into the big-government loving fascists/socialists that we see today?

Discuss.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-10 19:36

>>1
durrrrrrrrrrr dur dur dur durr

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-10 20:07

fascism is on the far right side of the political spectrum, communism is on the far left.

liberals are for more public programs to give those without the means to afford private programs the chance to have the same services, and regulations to keep companies from getting away with unethical business practices, tax loop holes, and forming monopoly's. we're very much against any government hand in our privacy or our free speech. the right seems to be generally the opposite, supporting businesses no matter what they do in their goal for profits, support their pricavy being chipped away for the sake of 'security', and in support the limit or ban on many types of media they considering immoral and dangerous and thus limiting free speech.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-10 20:35

>>3

"liberals are for more public programs to give those without the means to afford private programs the chance to have the same services"

Liberals are for extorting more money from the taxpayer to give those who didn't go out and earn money to afford private programs the chance to have the same services without having to pay for them.

Fix'd.
"and regulations to keep companies from getting away with unethical business practices, tax loop holes, and forming monopoly's."

and regulations to keep companies from getting away with doing things I don't like that I think should be illegal regardless of the fact that they don't cause direct harm to another person, not paying taxes to fund programs largely for irresponsible people they shouldn't have to pay for anyway, and forming monopolies, the last of which many right wingers themselves actually happen to oppose themselves.

Fix'd

"we're very much against any government hand in our privacy or our free speech"

We're very much against any government hand in our privacy or our free speech, unless that free speech is sixty days in advance of an election and threatens encumbents, or is of a nature I would personally dissaprove of.

"the right seems to be generally the opposite, supporting businesses no matter what they do in their goal for profits,"

the right seems to be generally the opposite, supporting freedom on principle no matter what, provided it doesn't cause direct harm to others in the process,

Fix'd

"support their pricavy being chipped away for the sake of 'security', and in support the limit or ban on many types of media they considering immoral and dangerous and thus limiting free speech."

True right wingers simply don't support these last items.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-10 20:36

>>3
"fascism is on the far right side of the political spectrum, communism is on the far left."

Actually, that is false.  Anarchy or libertarianism would be on one side, with authoritarian communism on the other. 

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-10 20:52

>>3
The left-right spectrum is entirely bullshit. I'm sorry but you will have to admit this and no longer take part in the argument.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-11 12:57

>>3
As >>6 said, your understanding of politics is entirely fucked.  Here are a few links that might help pull you out of the dark: 

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html
http://www.quiz2d.com/
http://www.politicalcompass.org/

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-11 13:34

>>6 Here.
>>7 Those compasses are a good approximation, but still tell little about the person's core dogmas.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-11 14:30

>>8 Dogmas suck.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-11 16:22

>>9
You use dogmas.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-11 16:25

>>9
That's a dogma.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-11 16:31

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