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Name: Anonymous 2006-08-19 11:00

With the world how it is today, could America and other countries be better off with an existentialist athiest government system?  Currently, we have seen that declaring religious intent during campaigns is not only a good idea, its almost impossible to do otherwise.  For example, the 2004 elections between Kerry and Bush showed the absurdity of requiring yourself to align your agenda to a specific branch of religion.  Bush came out and said plainly that he was against Stem Cell Research and Gay Marriage because of his beliefs.  Kerry followed suit by saying that he didnt agree with those subjects either, yet he would look into them.  There was no polarization between ideas.  Voting for Kerry or Bush didnt nessecarily mean that you were voting for Gay Marriage or Legalized Abortion: if Kerry had, he would have lost the Cristian vote.

Likewise, student are being taught creationist science and biblical history, both of which are notable pseudosciences at the very least.  Our school systems are deteriorating because of religious extremists calling for equality in education, when in truth they are holding it back.  In science itself, we arent allowed to go forth on many experiments and procedures because of the religious public's opposition of technology that to them disproves or does otherwise to god's will.

In global politics, wars, genocide and social inequality are rampant.  America itself is seen as a collective evil of what Christianity can bring, much like how we view Iran, Iraq and Lebanon as the evil that Islam can bring.  Such ideals create bigger rifts and more prejudice, causing the cycle to repeat unto itself.

So my question is would society as a whole be better or worse if America were to declare itself an athiest country?  Churches and temples would not be state sanctioned, and the seperation of church and state would go into full effect.  Religion would not be frowned upon or hated, but would be treated in history as a cultural universal that no longer has any funcions in our Age of Science.  An existential society would no longer have to bind itself within the confines of a religious majority, and autonomy would become the social norm.  Technological and social aspects would grow under the prospect of not being held back, as would political, since new leaders would not have to dictate their agenda around a religious majority, while global politics would be safer since we no longer would have the cross hanging over our heads as an excuse for extremists to rally armies to their sides against us.

Any thoughts?

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-19 11:03

What the fuck is existentialism? Another religion?

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-19 11:04

Christianity is on the decline anyway. Eventually, all developed countries will stop caring much about religion, it's just a matter of time. Give it a few more decades.

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-19 11:05

>>2
Existentialism is a form of philosophy that states that life is dictated by the individual and that subjective thought should be treated on the same level as objective.  Basically, it means think for yourself.

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-19 11:08

>>4
So if I think you are not human without any proof to back it up I can treat you like you are not human anyway? Wow what a wonderful RELIGION you have there.

Also go fuck yourself.

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-19 11:11

>>5
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existentialism

Not a religion, and your analogy doesnt fit the criteria.  Existentialism means that life is absurd, not that you can do anything.

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-19 11:20

>>6

You would think this shit is obvious. But I've come to the conclusion that this place is riddled with spastic fuckheads put here to test my dwindling patience.

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-19 11:21

>>7
Meh, trolls.  Also some people like to spout their opinions about something they dont know about just to hear themselves talk.

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-19 11:29

>>6
Haha wtf? Did you expect everyone here to just agree with you?I've put forward some very rational, very legitimate and very damning criticism, face it or continue to whine like a "spastic fuckhead".

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=subjective
Spoiler: Religion usually contains many subjective ideas.

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-19 11:31

>>8
That's nice, except you forgot to prove that my criticism is wrong. Perhaps because my criticism is correct and existentialism is founded on nonsense? Oh wait I forgot, you essentially believe anything you want to believe because it is called "subjective".

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-19 18:47

>>10

You have to first prove that existentialism is founded on nonsense, you idiot. Just saying something doesn't equate to proving something or actually discussing the idea of something. Come back to 4chan when you're out of high school

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-19 18:51

You have got it all wrong dudes. Atheism meaning non-religious isn't so good to society. We just need new religion that's more suitable to modern materialistic age. Something that will emrace things like science, liberty etc. It doesn't necessarily have to have any gods, infact I think religion that would view humanity as it's god would be most suitable for modern society.

Name: Xel 2006-08-20 7:26

>>12 We are gods. That rests well in the mouth. Yeah, we don't need a supernatural dimension to make sure we stick to virtues. We just need some very fundamental but non-restrictive, simple and scientifically based principles to stick to.

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-20 7:47

>>11
see >>9

>>12
Why not simply have science and liberty as ideas, there is no need to turn it into a religion.

>>13
Prove we are gods.

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-20 7:49

>>13
I mean, there is nothing to suggest we are gods or that there is a god. You see? Science. It isn't a choice between us being gods and there being gods that re not us, it is simply a matter of observing reality and inducing from the facts rational arguments. There are no gods and we are not gods.

Name: Xel 2006-08-20 8:08

>>15 We are our own lords, shaping our destiny. WE are not gods, necessarily, but by being the controllers of reality we are the only beings that deserve the moniker.

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-20 10:41

>>16
It's pointless. It's like calling egalitarianism feminism. Is this one of your attempts at conditionning people again? It doesn't work. It's like the words for black people, they keep chaning the word, but eventually it comes to mean an average black person again and they have to change it to something else "empowerring". You can change the word, but eventaully people will just change the definition.

Why don't you use logic and reasonning to do everything? Or whatever you use to determine reality..

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-20 12:23

In modern democracies religion and state are considered separate for the sake of equal, equitable governance. However, both religion and government being large, important political institutions means that true separation is not possible. The overlap is in the politicians themselves. After all, because they are supposed to represent the people who vote for them (which can be classified by religious belief), it is only right that religion has a place in the state. The only way to create an atheist state without destroying the basic principles of democracy is to have an atheist citizenry.

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-20 13:41

>>18
What if they are all nazis and want a tyranny? How do you stop them from turning the democracy into a tyranny?

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-20 16:37

yes,we would be better off,want proof?President Licoln was supposly had no relgion or had little or no caring about relgion.

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