Name: Anonymous 2006-08-16 23:30
All liberals and socialists are marxists, they don't come out and say it, but recently reading through the communist manifesto and conversing with liberals I have noticed a pattern too unlikely to be a coincidence. Apart from the usual extremism that has turned marxism into more of a cult-religion than a legitimate political science, there are 4 major errors in marxism which liberals use ad nauseum in their weak arguments. To be honest I'm too bord to explain them all so I will just do 1 at a time when I feel like it.
There are 2 major themes in this discussion, the first being the problem marx told people he was trying to solve, his ideas concerning exploitation and how the rich and powerful control labourers. Bear in mind these were not his ideas, so when I say that "the rich and powerful can exploit people", I'm not agreeing with marx, but with something so self evident the idea that Marx was the first to point this out could count as a 5th major error. The second theme is a more logical definition of the problems he was trying to solve, which was poverty and unequal opportunity, once again these ideas were older than the internet by the time Marx was squeezed out of his mom's VAGINA and in the typical liberal manner for some reason he never mentionned them.
1: The "liberty is evil" fallacy.
This fallacy is very simple. It makes use of superstition and the attempt to take out proof and correlation when determinning whether 2 events are connected or not. Marx believed that liberty is the freedom for factory owners to exploit their workers.
Long story short, Liberty is just a set of laws which prevent the tell tale signs of somone using military force to political oppress people, obviously marx and future marxists wanted their government to politically oppress the proletariat and came up with this. Freedom of speech, human rights and that everyone is equal under the law etc.. there is nothing wrong with these, they merely do not instantly turn the world into a paradise, eliminating poverty and ensuring equal opportunity. With this in mind it is obvious that while liberty does little to reduce exploitation, it does enable people to speak out against it and do something about it. The reason why communism and socialism is such a huge failure is because it expects a benevolent tyranny from the avidly non-libertarian thugs that take over.
There are 2 major themes in this discussion, the first being the problem marx told people he was trying to solve, his ideas concerning exploitation and how the rich and powerful control labourers. Bear in mind these were not his ideas, so when I say that "the rich and powerful can exploit people", I'm not agreeing with marx, but with something so self evident the idea that Marx was the first to point this out could count as a 5th major error. The second theme is a more logical definition of the problems he was trying to solve, which was poverty and unequal opportunity, once again these ideas were older than the internet by the time Marx was squeezed out of his mom's VAGINA and in the typical liberal manner for some reason he never mentionned them.
1: The "liberty is evil" fallacy.
This fallacy is very simple. It makes use of superstition and the attempt to take out proof and correlation when determinning whether 2 events are connected or not. Marx believed that liberty is the freedom for factory owners to exploit their workers.
Long story short, Liberty is just a set of laws which prevent the tell tale signs of somone using military force to political oppress people, obviously marx and future marxists wanted their government to politically oppress the proletariat and came up with this. Freedom of speech, human rights and that everyone is equal under the law etc.. there is nothing wrong with these, they merely do not instantly turn the world into a paradise, eliminating poverty and ensuring equal opportunity. With this in mind it is obvious that while liberty does little to reduce exploitation, it does enable people to speak out against it and do something about it. The reason why communism and socialism is such a huge failure is because it expects a benevolent tyranny from the avidly non-libertarian thugs that take over.