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Marxism

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-16 23:30

All liberals and socialists are marxists, they don't come out and say it, but recently reading through the communist manifesto and conversing with liberals I have noticed a pattern too unlikely to be a coincidence. Apart from the usual extremism that has turned marxism into more of a cult-religion than a legitimate political science, there are 4 major errors in marxism which liberals use ad nauseum in their weak arguments. To be honest I'm too bord to explain them all so I will just do 1 at a time when I feel like it.

There are 2 major themes in this discussion, the first being the problem marx told people he was trying to solve, his ideas concerning exploitation and how the rich and powerful control labourers. Bear in mind these were not his ideas, so when I say that "the rich and powerful can exploit people", I'm not agreeing with marx, but with something so self evident the idea that Marx was the first to point this out could count as a 5th major error. The second theme is a more logical definition of the problems he was trying to solve, which was poverty and unequal opportunity, once again these ideas were older than the internet by the time Marx was squeezed out of his mom's VAGINA and in the typical liberal manner for some reason he never mentionned them.

1: The "liberty is evil" fallacy.
This fallacy is very simple. It makes use of superstition and the attempt to take out proof and correlation when determinning whether 2 events are connected or not. Marx believed that liberty is the freedom for factory owners to exploit their workers.

Long story short, Liberty is just a set of laws which prevent the tell tale signs of somone using military force to political oppress people, obviously marx and future marxists wanted their government to politically oppress the proletariat and came up with this. Freedom of speech, human rights and that everyone is equal under the law etc.. there is nothing wrong with these, they merely do not instantly turn the world into a paradise, eliminating poverty and ensuring equal opportunity. With this in mind it is obvious that while liberty does little to reduce exploitation, it does enable people to speak out against it and do something about it. The reason why communism and socialism is such a huge failure is because it expects a benevolent tyranny from the avidly non-libertarian thugs that take over.

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-26 13:22

3: Ignorance of power structures.

Marxists believe that marxism is not a philosophy, but a practical-philosophy, or someone who applied philosophy for the betterment of the world. However marx's philosophies never address how communism will actually exist and be stable, they always talk about transitions, how to get there, what to do next, what you are justified to do in order to create this wonderful happy world.

A characteristic of marx's work, as can be seen in the last 2 fallacies I point out, is the interference of reality with achieving imagined ideals. Thus Marxism's main purpose is to remove reality from the equation so that people can be convinced to do things which have no real logical purpose. This is by no means the first time someone has attempted to do this, but Marx hit the nail right on the head. Power structures are the most evident and important of all systems of government, Marx was an absolute genius to have found a way to convince a large sum of people that power structures do not exist by focussing all their attentions on class systems. This success was revolutionary as can be seen throughout history as the many communisms that arose had very much the same power structures as before, despite their supposed moral intentions.

I will explain by first saying, there are class systems. Just like how I have already said liberty doesn't immediately stop exploitation and that equal opportunity doesn't stop poverty, Marx liked to elevate 1 truth above all else and corrupt it rather than pluck a fallacy out of the blue so that someone who points out his fallacies can be claimed to support exploitation, poverty and class systems etc.. Class systems exist, but are an effect of power structures, not a cause. You can't change effects without targetting the cause, yet Marxism aims to do this.

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