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Morals

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-07 14:48

I believe I have a solid grasp of what's right and wrong, and feel bad about wrong actions enough to avoid them.  I blame this on parents who remain happily married, and sunday school when I was a kid.  This brings a real sense of naivety as I expect others to  feel the same way about their actions.  To feel guilt or "sin."  But no, most people commit wrongful actions without remorse, or at least suppressing any remorse.  Actions are justified or rationalized, defended, or unquestioned.  For all its flaws, at least Christianity gave me a solid concept of what's acceptable and what's not.  I don't mean feeling morally superior, I mean being an all around decent person. 

Yet there are always people who don't care about how they act.  Is it how they were raised, the environment they grew up in, or their lack of a supernatural boogeyman watching them all the time?

What if instead of churches there were moral-philosophical centers, that would discuss varying degrees of acceptability for different actions.  Some of it would seem to common sense, but even the common sense doesn't seem to be emphasized anymore. 

I mean basic awareness of harmful actions such as theft, rape, child abuse, property destruction, murder, etc.      

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-13 2:19

>>13 This really does deserve an explanation.

You see, there is no good or evil, truth or lies, right or wrong.
There is only perception. You can perceive corralation between events. Once you have a record of corralation, you can make a prediction. If X, then Y. That is the basis of all conclusions about EVERYTHING.

Example. Gravity.
If you calculate the gravitational constant a thousand times with a thousand experiments that happen in the real world (with lots of random inhibitors, more on this in a moment) NOT happy-physics-land, then a few times you will calculate, say, 9.7 meters per second per second instead of the average/accepted value 9.8 m/s/s. All that you have in your head is corralation data. Using this data and NOTHING ELSE, you can conclude that gravity is not constant.
Accepting 9.8 means getting more data, from many experiments, and finding that when you test somthing an infinate(or REALLY high number) of times, at least once the data will difract from the expected value.
Since there is always an inperfection, you can NEVER acheive a 100% corralation between events.
But why not? why cant we create a happyphysics scenario?
The answer is entropy.
Within a closed system there will always be entropy- chaos, random shit happening because energy itself is constantly changing between its different forms, eventually leading to heat energy (the "heat death" of the universe).
Within a CLOSED SYSTEM (this assumes the universe has an END, more on this later) you can NEVER attain perfect corralation between events.

Since you can never perfectly recreate an event within a closed system, (our existance basically) every event that occours will be perceived slightly differently by each individual unit that can observe and record data.

You and I can look at the same point on a 3d grid in space, though from 2 different perspectives, and see slightly/completely different things.

A puppy is killed at point (A)
You stand at point (B) and look at (A)
I stand at point (C) and look at (A)
Based on your memory/past experiences/events you have witnessed/aftermath you have witnessed/data you have collected through your 5 senses, you have a 51%corralation between action "killing a puppy"(X) and conclusion "thats bad"(Y)
Based on my memory/past experiences/events i have witnessed/aftermath i have witnessed/data i have collected through my 5 senses, i have a 51%corralation between action "killing a puppy"(X) and conclusion "thats necessary in this situation"(Y)
Because identical memetic makeup is an impossibility, I have contained within my mind data that you do not. Example continued; I know that if you dont kill the runt of the litter the rest of the puppies will be weak - you do not have this information, therefore your corralative data is 2% off from mine and you make a different conclusion based on what is (very very very very almost) the same visual information (puppy being killed). However, when witnessing the same event our perceptions /veiwing ability can never be the same beause of energy ancting on us in diffent ways, ex: i have light shining in my eyes, there is a .0000000001newton force acting on your retina because a cell just died, etc.

This is how people see relatively the same thing/have relatively the same "data" and draw different conclusions.

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Okay, because the universe EXISTS: cluster of quarks bound together through quark bonding withing a (sea) of nothingness, this quark cluster has a begining and an end. Nothing is infinate (which is why i tried to avoid using the word earlier) if it exists, it has a set value that denotes its "existance".

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