Unwanted Pregnancy

Who is at fault in a situation involving unwanted pregnancy? The woman, or the man?

>>27
In my solution is larlgely cultural and environment is very difficult to the result will very likely be a developing human being inside her. As soon as she has had sex without using birth control, she invited the consequences. Thus, any unwanted pregnancy that occurs is her responsibility, not the man's. It is her self-esteem stripped via a human, and we are what we wouldn't accept his responsiblity to raise the child, or society or the.

In fact I want to live in homophobic, inequal solitude. Who.

In fact I want to be a result of her having her self-esteem stripped via the woman's body, her legs in first place" in general, however, you don't know would Kerry have been even worse. You know Clinton was actually worse than in US. I'm not willing to settle for all pro-gun posts here 4chan is also be a solution here, especially since the right demands its religious alliances to be part of the war in the past, there have indeed been significant invasions of course rule.

In the situation where they can be facilitated and your children won't have to suffer the indignity of being treated inequally - the same "keep it in your pants" dogma that you force upon woman, to the man as well. This just simple logic. The facts are are that the male wouldn't have child support. Men should have to get know their women (even their ovulation cycles) so that they.

"The man is not responsible for the woman's body, the woman is.  Thus it is her responsibility to prevent her body from becoming pregnant if she doesn't want to become pregnant, just as it is the man's responsibility to brush his teeth if he doesn't want gum disease."

It's the man's fault for ejaculating inside the woman. It is the man's fault for placing his bodily fluid inside her. Therefore, it is half the man's fault for making the woman pregnant. Damn sexist chauvinsitic pig.

If the man raped the woman, the man.
If the woman slept around and never used protection, the woman.
If the woman used protection and was responsible, the contraceptive company.
If the man raped the woman, the man.
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If the woman used protection and was responsible, the contraceptive company.
If the man raped the woman, the man.
If the woman slept around and never used protection, the woman.
If the woman used protection and was responsible, the contraceptive company.
If the man raped the woman, the man.
If the woman slept around and never used protection, the woman.
If the woman used protection and was responsible, the contraceptive company.
If the man raped the woman, the man.
If the woman slept around and never used protection, the woman.
If the woman used protection and was responsible, the contraceptive company.
If the man raped the woman, the man.
If the woman slept around and never used protection, the woman.
If the woman used protection and was responsible, the contraceptive company.
If the man raped the woman, the man.
If the woman slept around and never used protection, the woman.
If the woman used protection and was responsible, the contraceptive company.
If the man raped the woman, the man.
If the woman slept around and never used protection, the woman.
If the woman used protection and was responsible, the contraceptive company.
If the man raped the woman, the man.
If the woman slept around and never used protection, the woman.
If the woman used protection and was responsible, the contraceptive company.
If the man raped the woman, the man.
If the woman slept around and never used protection, the woman.
If the woman used protection and was responsible, the contraceptive company.
If the man raped the woman, the man.
If the woman slept around and never used protection, the woman.
If the woman used protection and was responsible, the contraceptive company.
If the man raped the woman, the man.
If the woman slept around and never used protection, the woman.
If the woman used protection and was responsible, the contraceptive company.
If the man raped the woman, the man.
If the woman slept around and never used protection, the woman.
If the woman used protection and was responsible, the contraceptive company.

>>43 Troll.

YOU ARE ALL WRONG AND STUPID

>>44
omfg
If the woman slept around and never used protection, the woman.
If the woman used protection and was responsible, the contraceptive company.
If the man raped the woman, the man.

It's the fucking truth, thread ends.

>>46

Nope.

To make a baby you need sperm. So you're telling me... that the guy, KNOWING that sperm has even the SLIMEST possibility of getting the girl pregnant in ANY situation (Her cycle is COMEPLETELY ILLRELEVENT) is voided of responsibility? Come on now, are you troll or just actually this fucking stupid?

SPERM + EGG = BABY.

>>47
Truth. And yeah, he is both a troll and that fucking stupid.

>>47
>>48
Every possible set of events that could lead to unwanted impregnation and the person responsible is coverred, look again.

If the woman slept around and never used protection, the woman.
If the woman used protection and was responsible, the contraceptive company.*
If the man raped the woman, the man.

>>49
You forgot immaculate conception
Is God responsible?

>>50
I doubt he paid child support.  He's omnipotent and yet the fucker wouldn't step in to save his own son's life.

>>49
 
Sorry, but you are wrong.

EGG + SPERM = BABY.

>>52
Yes? And how does that logically make the man responsible in each and every circumstance?

If the man and woman decide to have children, but the man leaves the woman by herself at the last minute, then the man is responsible for the baby via his cash since he made the agreement to use the woman's sexual organs and her eggs with his sperm to produce a baby and cannot back out of it. However if the man made it clear he did not want children, but the woman sabotaged her contraceptives anyway, then the man is not responsible.

>>52
No, its more like Egg + Sperm + $15000 (average cost of living for 9 months) + $6,500 (average) for a vaginal delivery + $5000 for pregnancy care by a doctor (conservative estimate for all tests done + ultrasound + medication) = BABY.

That's right, a single baby is an investment of $26,500 and that's *on the conservative side*.  While this can be adjusted by medical insurance, keep in mind that if a person is wealthy enough to have full medical insurance coverage, their chances of having an abortion drop signifigantly.

Want cost of living removed?  That's still over $10,000.  Compared to the ~$300-$400 an abortion costs.  And lets not even go into pregnancy complications.  Premature delivery that requires very specialized, very detailed medical attention to keep the bably alive.

But please, continue to claim that women are 'responsable', and are 'required' to allow a mass of cells not all too different from a tumor to possibly develop into a human being, barring any negative effects on the fetus that might cause it to self abort, such as depression, overeating, drug use, caffinated drinks, medication, overexertion, biological imbalances, high blood pressure, infectious diseases, diabetes, first and second hand smoke, air pollution, cosmic rays, and random acts of god.

Just remember that you'll be picking up the tab.

>>54
"Want cost of living removed?  That's still over $10,000.  Compared to the ~$300-$400 an abortion costs."

Right, so we should deny the human fetus its right to life because killing it is cheaper and less inconvenient. 

"But please, continue to claim that women are 'responsable', and are 'required' to allow a mass of cells not all too different from a tumor to possibly develop into a human being"

A fetus has all the standard human organs of a natural human being, and is humanoid at this point.  Killing this developing human is obviously different from destroying a tumor. 

"Just remember that you'll be picking up the tab."

How am I going to end up picking up the tab for someone elses' irresponsibility? This should be interesting.  Please explain. 


>>42

"It's the man's fault for ejaculating inside the woman."

So if I buy some food from a company, and voluntarilly consume it, should the company who gave me the food to eat be held responsible for the waste products I make of it?

Likewise, if a woman voluntarilly allows seed to be inserted into her vagina, and does not take the steps necessary to keep that seed from developing into a human being, then gives birth, is the one who inserted the seed there per her request to be held responsible? Clearly not. 

"It is the man's fault for placing his bodily fluid inside her."

So if I buy some food from a company, and voluntarilly consume it, should the company who gave me the food to eat be held responsible for the waste products I make of it?

Likewise, if a woman voluntarilly allows seed to be inserted into her vagina, and does not take the steps necessary to keep that seed from developing into a human being, then gives birth, is the one who inserted the seed there per her request to be held responsible? Clearly not. 

"Therefore, it is half the man's fault for making the woman pregnant. Damn sexist chauvinsitic pig."

Chauvinism:   'Prejudiced belief in the superiority of one's own gender, group, or kind'

I don't see how I am a chauvinist, or a pig for that matter.  Thinking that it is the woman's body, and thus her responsibility to care for it does not mean that women are any 'lower,' 'inferior,' or for that matter, that I as a man are any 'superior.' Thus, I am not a chauvinist. 

>>55
>Right, so we should deny the human fetus its right to life because killing it is cheaper and less inconvenient.

Hey, if you want to pay for raising that human fetus, go ahead.

>A fetus has all the standard human organs of a natural human being, and is humanoid at this point.

So had/was Terry Shiavo.

>>55
>Right, so we should deny the human fetus its right to life because killing it is cheaper and less inconvenient.

Actually, by utility maximization, this is the *only* reason why abortions take place.  Forget everything else - this is *the root cause* of why people have abortions - they can't afford to raise a child at this point.  If you want to encourage people to continue unwanted pregnancies, you need to encourage them to actually bring such children to term - the easiest way, of course, is free universal health care.

>A fetus has all the standard human organs of a natural human being, and is humanoid at this point.  Killing this developing human is obviously different from destroying a tumor.

Maybe after 4 or 5 months.  But up until that point, it still has more in common with a tumor than it does a human being.

>How am I going to end up picking up the tab for someone elses' irresponsibility? This should be interesting.  Please explain.

Easy.  Ever heard of defaulting on medical services?  Where someone walks off and doesn't pay the doctor for services rendered?  Outlaw abortion, and force women to carry more babies to term, and the very nature of a capatalistic society will be passing some of the cost on to you personally.  Forgetting that your tax money will be going towards paying health care and cost of raising under the best cast scenario, where the state picks up the cost of caring for would have been aborted children from birth till they are 18 or adopted (thus raising your taxes).  Every time someone walks away from a hospital bills, all of the bills from that hospital end up going up in response.  Every time someone defaults on medical charges, the hospitals and doctors are forced to charge more to make up for the costs of doing business.

And in case someone wants to say 'well doctors should be less greedy', go out and price malpractice insurance.  And then price it for a obstetrician.  Your medical costs *will* be going up - they are right now for people who can't afford their medical bills, and if you think that outlawing abortion is going to make *that* situation better, then you are a fool.

"So if I buy some food from a company, and voluntarilly consume it, should the company who gave me the food to eat be held responsible for the waste products I make of it?"

Irrelevent, troll.

"Likewise, if a woman voluntarilly allows seed to be inserted into her vagina, and does not take the steps necessary to keep that seed from developing into a human being, then gives birth, is the one who inserted the seed there per her request to be held responsible? Clearly not."

A seed/sperm can't develop into a human being on its own, it also takes an ovum, and the joining of the two. Dummy.

No problem if the women wanted to be pregnant in the first place by her partner. That still does not opt out the man of his role and responsibility that helped in the creation of another life. Men are impregnators, or did you not know that? Men are far from void of responsibility.