Unwanted Pregnancy

Who is at fault in a situation involving unwanted pregnancy? The woman, or the man?

Oh and it isn ever the fault of the fetus, so if the fetus is sentient it should not be killed.

Not that anyone with the faintest sense of morality would kill a sentient being in the first place.

>>5
What if they knew the fetus would be the next Hitlerx10000?

>>5
>>Not that anyone with the faintest sense of morality would kill a sentient human in the first place, in peaceful circumstances.
Fixed

>>7
Not entirely fix'd. Just because there is a war on you can't go around killing people willy nilly. You have to implement the most effective method of procuring good from the situation. So you want to fight for the libertarians and if you are winning you want to take prisoners until the situation is finally over. No fire bombing Dresden or anything like that.

>>4>>5>>7 Sigh. Stay the hell away from Europe please.

>>9
Hi, I'm >>8 co-founder of men's warehouse. Does this mean you agree with me?

>>10
Hi, I'm Anti-George Zimmer founder of men's whorehouse. Does this mean you agree with me?

It is both their responsibility. If the man wasn't responsible for where he put this dick, we wouldn't have child support. It's really that simple. The principal of "who's responsibility is it?" has been solved by the justice system. If our country didn't believe the man had any responsibility for the child whatsoever- we wouldn't have child support.

Men should have to get know their women (even their ovulation cycles) so that they prevent an unwanted pregnancy. I don't know what's so hard about expecting a man to not put his dick everywhere, while at the same time not expecting the woman to go unprotected all over the place.

"Boy will be boys", I guess. Which speaks alot since 4chan.org is a bunch of bitter undersexed high school kids who fail at social situations.

>>12
i lol'd.

but a woman's ovulation cycle is soetimes pretty unpredictable tho ^_^;

>>12
"It is both their responsibility. If the man wasn't responsible for where he put this dick, we wouldn't have child support."

And the government is never wrong, right?

"It's really that simple. The principal of "who's responsibility is it?" has been solved by the justice system."

And the justice system is never wrong, right?

"If our country didn't believe the man had any responsibility for the child whatsoever- we wouldn't have child support."

Yes we would, because of whiney feminists who want to avoid responsibility for taking care of their own bodies. 

"And the government is never wrong, right?" You were ready to accept government incompetence in the crusade on drugs and investigations that lead to DP.
"And the justice system is never wrong, right?" Now that is a problem all of a sudden. Principles, motherfucker, do you have them?! (YAY MEME)
"Yes we would, because of whiney feminists who want to avoid responsibility for taking care of their own bodies." And here we have right-wing 'check' numero 73: feminists have no reason to be indignified and say that things needs to be changed. Women are responsible for their bodies men of theirs. Women are responsible of the cooze, men of the peener. Cooze+peener = constantly bawling shitfactory that strangers like to make noises at and exlaim lovingly how small it's hands are.

>>15 I guess feministic philosophy isn't always of the quality I wish it would be, but the minute I hear someone bemoan it in general I know that there will be some half-assed talk about subversion or extremism coming up. It's like when libertarians talk about how some people define themselves solely by their sexuality, and stuff like that. Feminists don't vote republican. Suck it up and change.

>>15
"You were ready to accept government incompetence in the crusade on drugs and investigations that lead to DP."

So what? Government incompetence has absolutely nothing to do with what I was saying. 

"Now that is a problem all of a sudden. Principles, motherfucker, do you have them?! (YAY MEME)"

Still not sure what the heck you are talking about. 

"And here we have right-wing 'check' numero 73: feminists have no reason to be indignified and say that things needs to be changed. Women are responsible for their bodies men of theirs. Women are responsible of the cooze, men of the peener."

Says the pro-choice feminist?

>>16
"Suck it up and change."

Nope.  Not only will I not change until society and what it expects of men changes, I don't have to either.  As the last several elections have said, very plainly, plenty of people agree with me.  Sounds like you liberals are going to be the ones to have to change. 

>>14

You must have some deep seeded issues with women. I was reading this and I just thought: "Now why would he do that? Why would he turn around and basically validate what I said?"

No. The justice system and the government are not wrong in this case. If you can properly express to me the flaw in expecting a man to accept his responsibilities as a father, I'd like to hear it. Because logically, if a woman doesn't have to "open her legs in first place" in the name of taking care of her own body...

...Then the man doesn't have to put his dick into a woman who he doesn't know well enough to avoid an unwanted pregnancy. You can hammer this "it's a woman's body, she should take care of it!" all day long. But this isn't about "a woman's body", this is about the baby, and you can only get a baby via the coupling of two people of the opposite sex.

The fact is that most abortions are enacted at the request of the male. And because the male didn't practice abstenence. I don't know if you've ever had sex before, but...it does take a penis being inserted into a vagina in order for a baby to be made. It's not hard to apply the same "keep it in your pants" dogma that you force upon woman, to the man as well.

This just simple logic.