>>6 The dude that Bush is listening to regarding Soc Sec reform in America is the guy that also privatized Soc Sec for Pinochet in Chile. The Chileans got more payoff from the stock market than Americans can hope for, and 90 % of Chileans wish they were back in the old system nonetheless. They got about half of what they would have gotten in the old system. Depending on when you retire you would get your retirement cut substantially as well. And the democrats are the fiscally irresponsible ones. I'm no patriot but stuff like this makes me happy to be a Swede.