>>15 I must have stepped on a tender toe there. Of course there is need for science - by examining causalities we can form generalizations that are far more useful to us than a surrender to the chaos that surrounds us. I really have no idea what my post coagulated into once you read it, but rest assured that you haven't changed my mind in the slightest. There is chaos, and there is stasis, those are the two *physical* states I have any interest in.