Abortion problem solved.

fetus < 20 weeks old is not sentient
fetus > or = 20 weeks old is sentient

"I'll assume you refuse to answer the rest of the very simple questions in my post and that you are an extremist. It's final then. You would kill a baby that can survive outside the womb because it hasn't left the vagina yet. Thanks for at least having the balls to clarify that." I have either answered those questions already or I just couldn't spend so much time on it. I am not trying to fisk myself to a pinnacle of immovable conviction here, nor am I defending myself in front of a tribunal. I have already said I can not decide whether sentience is the throwing issue or what level of sentience puts a stop on abortion. I am simply saying that unless a society cleans up its act it has no right and nothing to gain from a ban. I think the limitations on abortion suffice, considering how morally disgusting the alternative is.
"Though I would expect the woman to know they were pregnant when they stopped having periods.." A lot of women are doing their best to prevent abortions, but pills wreak havoc on their hormonal and emotional balance, so I think it is fair that men carry latex all the time.
"Lol? Ammo to do what, prove you have no care for sentient life when it suits you to destroy it?" Once again, we need to set a very scientifical and bipartisan limit here. Saying that the issue relies on the physical position of being outside/inside is not scientifical or sufficient, and saying that any chance of sentience means that the mother is screwed is also stupid. I am ready to flex in order to create a long-lasting, effective and decent set of regulations regarding this. The only reason I speak in such esthetical extremes is to demonstrate I am not knee-jerking, that you are archaic and dense and to prod you into more paroxysms of ethical indignation (the only way a debate with a pro-lifer can cause amusement).
"This thread is now just another thread about the causes of evil and extremism with you as a test subject." There comes the e-bombs, the last refuge of all fundamentalists whether they are religious or not. The only reason I speak in such upseeting terms about babies is because I am not afraid of what my stance entails. Plus I want to make people like you angry; there is no way in heaven my words are going to change you for the better, I might as well hurt you. Being pro-abortion means that foetuses get turned into soup and I have to stand for that. You avoid all moral implications of your stance, argumenting completely without subjection to causation, civilization's responsibility and gender differences.