Abortion problem solved.

fetus < 20 weeks old is not sentient
fetus > or = 20 weeks old is sentient

I understand it well enough to know that you're putting ALL responsibility on the male when it's the female who best understands the risks involved. You saound to me like the kind of person who thinks it's in the nature of all guys to be surly and stupid and therefore, everything that does wrong is because of said surly and stupid individual. Well, if that's the case, what does this say about the the inherently genius female who decided to hang out with the idiot male?

And you sound to me like the kind of person who thinks women are wanton sluts who just can't keep their legs closed and stop gobbling all the cocks with their spacious vaginas. Therefore, everything (in spite of the fact that she can't reproduce on her own) that she does is wrong and sexual legislation should work only to control her and her slutty ways.

And if that's truly the case my bitter under-sexed friend, then you need to save that shit for when you're listening to Linkin Park and typing in your livejournal. The woman knows about as much as the man. What is there to know, really? Birth control is so easy, remember?

"It's easy enough to say that without actually providing proof isn't it? Perhaps you have a whole row of 'lifeless tumor' and 'no heartbeat' rationalizations lined up. If that's your proof, then you're coming up short as usual."

Like I said. You're a zealot. No amount of proof will ever seem reasonable to you because you can not be reasoned with.

On the contrary: It is because you haven't proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that fetuses don't live that I have proven that it's a threat to society's stability. Becuase you are so unwilling to care if the fetus lives or not and are simply concerned with getting rid of it, you are shown to be individually objectivist, which is exactly what people like Hitler, Stalin, and Hussein were. They also made "over-population" arguments (ones YOU use but haven't been able to prove).

Fail. All you have to do is prove to me that abortion directly effects the stability of society. You don't need my stance to support yours, if what you say is the unadultered truth. I don't even really care about over-population, I care about liberty and human lives not being owned by the state (unborn or not). The problem with your argument is that over-population has been in-fact proven to be the downfall of many dead cultures and societies. And it doesn't take a Hitler or a Hussein to figure this out. It does however, take a team of scientist using observation and empirical evidence.

But you don't care about silly things like that, do you?

"Just because the idea exists, that doesn't mean it will be legislated by every culture."

Exactly my point. Just because the idea that "abortion = murder" exists doesn't mean it will be legislated by every culture. Especially this one in America where we care about liberty, freedom and choice.