Abortion problem solved.

fetus < 20 weeks old is not sentient
fetus > or = 20 weeks old is sentient

Before Iraq was dictatorial, it was a republic. When Saddam Hussein was eventually elevated from his position as Secretary General to house chairman, he was given the ability and authority to allow things to slip. Eventually, without a majority exercise of republican philosophy, which was of course tweaked for the sake of representing of every faction in social conflict of the time, the true principles of what the government first enacted broke down, and power was slowly sliding more and more into Hussein's direction. The citizens didn't pressure the Iraqi government to stick to its system and, as a result, they suffered a dictatorship that costed thousands of lives. If the repubic of Iraq had stayed intact, Hussein would have never gotten the country all to himself.

No. This is that 'round about' logic you've been trying to use since your first post. The idea of proof isn't actual proof. I want to see proof that abortion has caused the downfall of any society or culture. If you can't show me that and exactly that, then I'm sorry but: You fail. Give me Sparta, give me anything. But don't tell me that over-population has never caused the downfall of a society, because that's entire false.

There are hundreds of civilization which were destroyed by over-population. And the notion of you marginalizing Easter Island (something that's already been proven in the scientific community) shows me that proof and facts are small matters to you indeed. I could've left links to Middle Age European countries and South Amerindian societies that have had problems with over-population as well and the response I would get is "You're kidding me right"? As if you can't believe that I would dare bring empirical evidence into a debate about "the chillens"

Finally, those of you that think you're standing up for a life- need to get a fucking grip and get over yourselves. You aren't doing shit and you haven't done shit. For you, this fight is already lost because America knows that banned abortion outright is a giant leap towards communism that would truly undo the fabric of our liberty-based society.