Abortion has nothing to do with women's rights. Murder is not a right.
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Xel2006-09-10 5:05
"No, it doesn't demand that. Forget about abortion - we are talking about a situation that will effect the born, actual, live human being, not a damn fetus. This child could have serious deformities and have a seriously fucked up life because the mother was too much a lazy irresponsible piece of shit to lay off the cigs and beer. In this situation, the -actual- human being that is now here has had its life harmed by the mother's actions. What is a reasonable course of action when someone is harmed in our society by someone else? COMPENSATION. Take money out of her paycheck so that the child can hopefully get by." It's not her job to create a perfect body. Life is life and the child should settle for it. Taking money from her is not going to help one bit - she is obliged to parenting and that is that.
"Blame the environment!" I'm not doing that.
" Women who smoke don't cause deformities and disabled people, the mercury does! So on an individual basis, mercury poisoning is of -far- greater significance than whether or not the mother smokes or drinks, right? Fuck, you are a dumbass. I learned this shit in the very sex-ed class -you- advocated." You infer what you want here, she *could* say mercury caused the damage, and we *can* prove her wrong - assuming we want to pay for the investigation, which I won't.
"Put her to work. She can help pay for it too. Then yeah, I'm happy with this setup." Jail-time is more expensive than treatment+work, if you want the satisfaction of vindication - you cough up.
"Yeah, the kid should just be happy with being a disabled person, it isn't the mother's fault he is in his situation! He isn't entitled to shit, LOL! We wouldn't want to take any compensation money out of the woman's paycheck to help him get by, would we? Then she wouldn't have any more money for cigarettes and beer!" She still doesn't have a responsibility to create a perfect body - once a new human mind is occupying that body she doesn't own it, once a unique human persona has taken shape in the cancer, it is an individual and she will have to parent it. If the partner wants a better kid he/she prevents the drug abuse - I'm not paying for any kind of deterring.
"Ok, no jail, -BUT- we do take a nice big chunk of money out of whatever paycheck she gets, and give it to the victim." I still don't think money helps, but OK, as a principle I can concur.