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Abortion and Women's Rights

Name: Anonymous 2006-07-26 22:10

Abortion has nothing to do with women's rights.  Murder is not a right. 

Name: Xel 2006-09-06 15:57

"Lets not dodge the point here.  You were saying that banning late-term abortions is not justified due to the fact that there are laws on the books that *might* limmit the availibility of contraceptives, and that this *somehow* absolves the guilty parties of their crimes (killing unborn conscious human life).  I totally disagree.  They made the decision with those laws on the books, and they made it anyway.  They made a choice, they knew the consequences, and we *do* have sexual education now, so I fail to see how you could POSSIBLY not blame them.  The fault is all theirs." When these impairments act upon their liberties then they are absolved of a possible immorality of a related action. This is the case with parent notification laws, for example.
"But individuals make individual decisions which then result in unwanted pregnancies." But politicians enact policies that invariably increase the probability of poor individual decisions. How good is the sex-ed by the way?
"So they aren't bitches for screwing up their child's life, since they provided it?" Existence is existence, it's status is not very important.
"I would be disgusted and embarassed with myself, if I was you." If this came from an individual whose sentiments had value, I would introspect by now. Yet I'll just have some blueberries.
"There you go.  I'd support that.  Boycotting is the proper way to deal with companies or groups you don't like.  Organized boycotting is even stronger, provided you have a large group." Mmhm. I just think capitalism will be a horrible force without consumer responsibility. If that Lovelock dude is right, and his Gaia theory is actually plausible, civilization as we know it is gone in about 25 years.
"Don't try to evade the fact that said group of people use very fascist, or at the least, authoritarian methods of getting their agenda implanted in reality." Well, those're just words, although I understand your sentiments regarding my position, flexible though it may be.
"If you are genetically human, and exhibit the characteristics of 'life', would you not then be considered 'human life'?" yup, but not human existence.
"Yeah, aside from consciousness, senses, and feeling, *nothing* to distance it from a cancer, lol!" Well, nothing to distance it from a fish, then.
"Also, cancers are formed of their own accord, more or less.  Fetuses are brought on by their bearer." That is only relevant when the fetus is more special than a fish.
"Genetically human + consciousness = no more abortions, with the given few exceptions." My situation just glanced off. With some fiberoptics, we could create a simulation of human matter communicating with a *hind brain*, that we share with all animals.
"What are you talking about? Speak more clearly.  I support equal rights, and that's it.  I see absolutely nothing wrong with this." And the extent of said support? An employer who discriminates a woman discriminates me.
"Activity to promote the lives of women only, rather than all people regardless of sex, is essentially sexist to me." I'm not entirely iron-cast on my position regarding this, so no worry please. But I always base myself on reality, so if some limited and accurate affirmative action program with proven results were suggested I would not wince away.
"Nope, some comes from the man too." That is half the blueprint, not the building blocks.
"They haven't.  None of the serious ones anyway.  I don't know where you'd get that idea." I'm talking about the quotes from that fucked-up forum.

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