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Abortion and Women's Rights

Name: Anonymous 2006-07-26 22:10

Abortion has nothing to do with women's rights.  Murder is not a right. 

Name: Xel 2006-09-06 12:45

"Yes it is.  All factors are and were already on the table when said parties made their decisions.  That said, it is totally fair.  They made the decisions." Well, the factors are bullshit. I am attacking the hipocrisy of blaming irresponsibility when certain absurd factors have an unneccesary, obvious causation.
"The laws are already factored in, and they made their decisions even *with* that factored in." And these laws should be broken.
"It isn't their responsibility to stem the flow of unwanted pregnancies." It is not their responsibility to cause the flow and blame it on the individual either.
"I guess you didn't read my example.  If the man doesn't mind supporting the kids, and the woman doesn't want to become pregnant, it is her responsibility to prevent a pregnancy, not the man's.  The man doesn't care, and he will support the kids.  The only person not wanting a pregnancy is the woman.  The person whose body will be effected is the woman.  She is the only person who wants to prevent the pregnancy.  She must handle it if she doesn't want it." Fair enough. If he is ready to be a parent or be forced to pay C S if he gets cold feet he needs to be ensured he can say something about his genetic property. So the parts sign a pre-nookie contract. Good luck making that a common practice.
"The responsibility is obviously hers then to prevent the pregnancy if she doesn't want it." Okay, but he needs to sign a contract first.
"Yes, and putting someone else at risk to attain this happiness." They are creating life. That might die. Eep.
"What you are talking about is stepping in using the government for the sake of social regimentation in terms of equality, which is certainly a very fascist, or at the least, an authoritarian and pro-government notion." If this arbitrary imposition is handled well and has innate checks and balances I will support it.
"But you *do* respect their means?" Depends on the accuracy and effects of said means.
"Your skin cells are not unborn human babies." They have a unique genetic code, use aerobic respiration and whatnot. Since any animal can feel and have consciousness, and since physical likeness has no objective value, we look to the chalice of humanity, the brain.
"Once again, I don't think simply having a brain is all there is to being a human, or a live human, or a human with rights." Yeah, what can my brain do that I can't do myself.
"Right, because 'cerebral faculties' are all that makes a human being a human being, lol!" Flesh is flesh, DNA is DNA.
"Why, to ram their agenda down our throats through government?" They believe it is their only choice. I can't assess that claim yet.
"I have no problem with granting equal rights." Granting and realizing are two different verbs. For a reason.
"Feminism, or something based around the advancement of a given sex, or color, is reverse sexism, in the case of feminism for example." So when half of humanity is below the other, raising it will automatically place it above the other?
"No government intervention into this, unless it is necessary to preserve our freedom, is acceptable." Well, I'm just not pleased with the world.
"So you support social regimentation to meet your ends?" Unfortunately, yes.
"This *is* a very fascist notion." So is a ban of abortions in order to favor 15500 maybe-humans.
"No wonder people came up with the term feminazi." Incompatible term. If one feels attacked by feminism it is a counter-attack.

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