>>576 "its that the individual is obviously the one responsible for his actions, so if they screw themselves up, its obviously their fault." That is what I have said you are doing.
"o what you are saying doesn't apply here, and really shouldn't have been brought up to begin with." Because I've already stated that the situation isn't as fair as you think it is.
"That isn't the issue. Whether or not abortion should be permitted or not really has nothing whatever to do with other essentially arbitrary laws." They apply to the situation to a degree. The responsibility lies with the parents to that degree.
"Thankfully we have reasonable people in government to ban late term abortions." What are they doing to stem the flow of unwanted pregnancies? I am not that impressed.
"The woman is accepting an action that will have a consequence to her body, and she knows it." The man is accepting an action that will have a consequence to her body.
"Since it is affecting her body, and not his, it if it is she who doesn't wish to become pregnant, it is then she who must take the actions necessary to prevent this." In this case, she can do whatever she wants with said consequence, and if he wants a say he signs up for child support in case he tries to mosey.
"if the woman doesn't want a baby growing in her, she has to prevent it from happening to her" If the man doesn't want a baby growing in her, he has to prevent it from happening to her.
"I'm not a utilitarian, and I'm not arguing society will get fucked up if women are allowed to abort late term babies" I remember some pipsqueak talking about how society will disintegrate society in about 200 years. I don't know which anonymous that was.
"No, to be an authoritarian, I would have to want to force people to not have children who had diseases, which I never advocated." You are just saying it is wrong of them to have kids. Maybe it's no authoritative, but it is judgemental and superfluous.
"What you fail to grasp, evidently, is that the gambling being done with fate is of great risk to the child." They are creating a sliver of humanity in an imperfect vessel. That is not a gamble, it is an attempt to become happy with worse odds than usual.
"If the mother was assuming all the risk of the endeavor, I wouldn't have a problem with honoring it." She kinda does already.
"he kids are at risk as well as the mother, and the mother is gambling with their lives, health, and well being." They are the ones whose bodies are building said life.
"And by the way, to note: my position on the issue is that I would not force diseased women to not become pregnant if they wanted to become pregnant. My position is 100% pro-liberty. I fail to see how you find this 'authoritarian', or how what you said makes me authoritarian." You are saying that these women are at ethical fault for wanting to have a kid. Perhaps it isn't authoritative, but there should be an adjective for sentiments like that.
"Which is absolutely redundant. What is morally right is that women have equal *rights*, not that they *are* equal." Once again the potentiality is equitable to actuality. When different factors apply on certain people perhaps it is fair to assess their situation and try to make them humans instead of letting an imperfect culture treat them like nine tenths of a human.
"People disagree with them, so they decide to look to the govt to help ram their agenda down people's throats." They feel that it is the last port of call. I'd like to convince them that that is not the case, but I respect their goals more than their means.
"Yet are not genetically human." My skin cells also have a unique genetic code. Once again, sensations and genotype does not constitute human *existence*.
"Because human rights have nothing to do with brain complexity." Then what is it about, the make-up of the genes or biological prerequisites? If a brain that can be described as human has developed and absorbed some info, it is to be protected at the expense of the mother.
"I don't know for sure, but I think its pretty safe to say abortion shouldn't be allowed when the fetus is conscious and or can feel." Hello cat! Meow! Are you conscious? Meow. Do you like scritchies behind ears? Purr. That's kind of impressive. Do you have enough cerebral faculties and stunning complexity to be considered a baby? Mrrrf? Apparently not.
"And provided that culture doesn't infringe on the rights of anyone" Which is why the civil rights movement and feminism still exists. No love from the culture due to segregation and stagnant gender roles. That is a doozy and it should be dealt with. If they turn to government I disapprove but understand.
"Apparently, the distinction between government action and private action means nothing to you." Of course it does. That doesn't mean I believe that government should be skeletal or that a culture can look any which way. If people want to be free they should get up to the task. Neither the left nor the right can start such a movement towards self-reliance, and the libertarians are often stuck in virtue-reliant thinking.
"You wish to institute social regimentation to achieve feminist goals" No, but I can understand the notion and support it if it is checked and balanced to a sufficient degree. If it can work and is cleverly limited, I won't object.
Regarding your last attempt at precocious cleverness, I can simply yawn.