>>529 "You can't talk about human rights while sitting there advocating forcing people to work for or do something that they think is wrong." Yes I can. Or, I want to, more like.
"I don't give a fuck if she had to drive a hundred miles to an abortion clinic or not, that's too bad." Well, sheriff. Maybe, just maybe, that is why the poor aren't getting out. Because they are forced to have kids by logistic problems and economic hardship.
"If so, what if you had a human who was conscious, yet somehow unable to control his body for some reason?" Well, no outside entity is removing his right to move his body.
"And the grid cannot exist at all without the base of said grid - the right to life. Thus, while it is a terrible decision to have to make, it must be made, and the right to life supercedes the others." There is no basis. It is a circle.
"Right. I'm not saying 'ban all abortions,' I'm saying 'ban/restrict late term abortions'. I was under the impression that you agreed with me on this. Is this wrong?" You've said you'd ban all abortions instead of having them if you had to make a choice. I think that makes you diabolical.
"No it doesn't, lazy bitches who screw around and wait 9 months to get an abortion cause ammorally late abortions." Stop using the word "bitch". Anyone with common sense find you distasteful.
"Not all women are dumb enough to let the 'cancer' get there in the first place." Why do these gals get dumb, then?
"A decent argument. Since that is your opinion, naturally you will stand with me against socialized medicine, social security, the FDA, the BATFE, and all the other unnecessary government organizations that violate the right to property? This means incremental removal of said programs, in favor of individualism and property rights, if you are wondering." Well, I guess, why not? If this doesn't work out and these institutions have to be erected again, at least we gave it a very fair shot under perfect circumstances.
"I don't see how chemotherapy as an overall practice relates to abortion." Fetus = Cancer until it has a unique human tabula.
"Singing a different tune here than you were above, when you were talking about the oh-so-sacred property rights to ones own body. If you violate property rights for socialized medicine and social security, you are chipping away at property rights, and that includes the right to ones body, which, as you pointed out earlier, is closely related to abortion. If you are going to be inconsistent in your support of property rights, then naturally you can't critisize me for doing the same. That would be hypocritical." Of course it is hypocritical. I just think it won't work out.
"Yes you do. 'Collective responsibility!', you claim. You said it in response to my saying that the fetus was innocent, if I'm not mistaken, and I interpret this to mean that you somehow think the fetus is responsible for the state of things as well (and is thus not innocent, somehow)." In this case, I mixed stuff up.
"This fails for irrelevancy." uh huh.
"No, environmental determinism as a theory is clouded with a good degree of doubt at best. Again, if it was true, and individuals were composed entirely of experiances taken in from their surroundings, then groups of individuals who grew up in more or less similar environments would naturally grow up to become more or less similar people, which was not always the case. Clearly, one's success or failure is *not* blamable on environmental determinism, but blamable upon individual choices." What causes the individual choices? Individuals act on their environment, then learn from the result. As such, environment (the outside) has a common effect on all inside it, but their reactions depend on previous experiences. If 10 people experienced the same things in the same order from day one, they would be very very similar, despite their genotypes. Since this never happens, environmental determinism is difficult to track and define.
"Not just one individual case, *many* individual cases. You not only offer no proof for your idea, but historically, it doesn't hold up." I'm not saying that E D makes the individual redundant, but it makes her more predictable.