Abortion has nothing to do with women's rights. Murder is not a right.
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Xel2006-09-03 6:11
"Its not foolishness. The pharmacist believes he is doing the right thing. If there's one thing that's really sick - its forcing a man to work for, or do something that he believes is wrong." Belief is worthless. convictions are not acceptable as justification. Reality is probabilistic, not subjective.
"If it belongs to the woman, then he is washed of responsibility of it, since it isn't his. No more child support laws in this scenario." If he wants to have a say about abortions, he signs himself up for 50 % of parenting or child support if he decides to am-scray. That is logical.
" If the woman waited this long to get the embryo taken care of, that's too bad." Waiting is not the issue, availability and a slew of other factors apply. Life in America isn't easy.
"No it isn't. Since you have just stated this, I expect you to be able to back it up." Life prerequires control of one's body, including add-ons to it. Void this and you void life. I've already explained that due to the universalizability maxim, the human rights are a diamond grid that can not function if one is favored above the others. Since human life is cast-iron in the women and dubious at best for a long time in the fetuses, the women win ethically up til a certain point. Social conservatism and religion causes amorally late abortions, not feminism.
"Do correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall having said 'ban abortion entirely as a practice entirely because of an unrelated 15,500 babies'. Those 15,500 are the number aborted after they could be considered 'human'. I was under the impression that you found abortion after this point unacceptable." I've stated that, yes. What I find to be alarming is that most pro-lifers think that these 15500 deaths is justification for removing the right to own one's cancers from half of America. The right to body = Right to property = Right to life.
"Chemotherapy doesn't kill 15,500 babies a year, last I checked. I don't see why banning it is in order." You've said that a complete ban is preferrable to no-limits abortioning, if you had to make the choice. I consider this unacceptable.
"Wow no thanks. And you call yourself a libertarian? Hell, you call yourself a 'moderate' libertarian? What a bunch of baloney. 'Raise payroll taxes so the rich fuckers will have to pay for my medicare, lol! I'm a 'moderate-libertarian.' Yeah right." Unfortunately, I don't believe mercantile laws work everywhere.
"How the hell could you possibly hold an unborn human fetus responsible for the ills of the world?" Huh? I don't.
"My analogy functioned for its purpose, and was thus a good analogy. Anyway, you are arguing over semantics." No, the analogy was not applicable, since there is a time period that you didn't introduce.
"No, people who don't use contraceptives or abstain cause unwanted pregnancies. You are looking at the big picture when in reality, it is an individual's choice that determines whether or not a pregnancy is created or not, not the state's." Culture, gender and phenotype are partial determinants of behavior. They must be addressed.
"You still fail to answer my unanswered questions about environmental determinism." You mean that anecdote about you learning by yourself? One individual case? We are what we experience.