"People are often only poor or hard off due to their decisions." The US is not a very meritocratic society, so maybe hard work should be encouraged?
"Ha. So if I'm selling cookies on the street, I can't not-sell cookies to someone for some reason? (maybe I just don't like them). Face it, pharmacists have the right to not sell you things or work for you if they don't want too. You don't have a right to their labor without their consent." Well, unwanted pregnancies and a lack of preventions of these harm society. It is in my interests to make sure women can strike back at such foolishness.
"If men are responsible for the baby, the baby is the right of *both* parents, and abortion should not be allowed *at all* without the consent of *both parents.*" Well, fortunately, men have been taught by society to not stick around after conception. Unless he signs a contract before conception, that little tumor belong completely to the woman.
"Nah, its a way to avoid responsibility for not using adequate contraceptives, and furthermore, to not get the embryo removed for such a long period of time that it became a sentient fetus. Abortion at this point and time is near-murder." It's either murder or it aint.
"Too bad. If its his, she can't kill it without his consent." Then he legally binds himself to care for that child 50 % until it's 18. If not, bring out the vacuum and the salt for all I care.
"No, if the woman didn't want to have a baby, she would have used contraceptives, or not accepted his fluids." If he didn't want to have a baby, he should have used contraceptives, and not given her his fluid.
"Fails to address the fact that 15,500 live human beings being denied their right to live is far worse an offense than women not being allowed to make smoothies out of unborn children, *especially* considering that it was the woman's actions that put them in the position they are in anyway." Nope, not having the right to do what you want with non-human outgrowths of your body is equal to not having the right to life. A fetus without a unique human conscience is a cancer. If we ban abortion because of 15,500 babies, we will have to ban chemotherapy.
"Sure thing. There's this place down the road called 'Kumori's abortion clinic'... try it sometime." AAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA FUNNY!
"If they don't want to take the time to sit down and sign a contract, then it must not be important enough to warrant legislation. Child support then fails. If it *is* that important, then I fail to see what is wrong with the contract idea." If the man doesn't sign up for child support or equal parenting, the tumor (I'll refer to fetuses without a unique human personality as benevolent tumors from now on) is hers hers hers.
"This has nothing to do with the looming Social Security financial crisis." There is no looming Soc Sec financial crisis.
"So if he gave her is sperm in a jar, and then she inserted it into her vagina, it would still be his responsibility?" He shouldn't have to pay child support, no.
"Elaborate and Explain"
http://www.pnhp.org/ What these guys want.
"The fetus is innocent, and its right to life does not depend on outside-world-activity." Beg to differ. Collective responsibility exists.
"Since I dragged him into it against his will, I am not allowed to kill him by ejecting him from my ship." Let's say you drag a rock onto your ship. After certain amounts of time this rock (it's magical) will become a living thing. If you wait until it is an organism, you are not allowed to throw it over board. Your analogies are still sub-par.
"I have yet to see an example of conservative american governments prohibiting sale of contraceptives entirely. Link me if you can pls." Rural, socially conservative cultures cause unwanted pregnancies. The more of this, the more unwanted pregnancies. People's decisions are subject to environment, a molding of behavior that accumulates.
"I really can't wait for the next civil war to start, so I can shoot you fuckers in the face." Anonymous is not a threat. The christianists are. "They can be all about them prayers and making each other be shaking on the floor and drinking wine and what-not them fellows do, but if they be coming to our here cities trying to bash my gay friends or telling mah daughter to stay at the stove there will be hell -ah say, ah say- hell to pay."