Abortion and Women's Rights

Abortion has nothing to do with women's rights.  Murder is not a right. 

"Sex ed is not a must, and therefore shouldn't be funded.  The government is there to protect us from each other, and protect our freedoms from foreign invasion, and that's it."

Is is a MUST if you want to educate people in order to give the ammo they need to make informed decisions on their actions and to see the number of unwanted pregnancies go down. (Self-defeatist.) Also, it is the government's job to provide social services, such as education, is it not?

"Firstly, two wrongs does not make a right.  If abortion is wrong, it should be banned period, regardless of what else the government is doing.  If the death penalty is wrong, go lecture me about that in another debate.  This debate is about abortion, not the death penalty or wars of foreign aggression.  Abortion is a seperate issue, and just because we have the death penalty and wars of foreign aggression doesn't change the fact that late term abortions are wrong and should be banned."

I stand firm on what I said, it reveals your hypocrisy.

"No, you've went from advocating complete abortion rights, from conception until birth to advocating very strict regulation of abortion (my position, which you have recently said you now see eye to eye with)."

I detest.

"Just because there are strict regulations doesn't mean that they are done humanely.  I am going to have to tighten my position even more if there is no way for it to be done humanely."

You admit to yourself that you don't know if it is done humanely or not. You can't support your position with baseless conjecture. Late-term abortions are done humanely, from my research.

"Legalized torment of helpless human lives doesn't sound appealing to me."

I Lol'd.

"Now, assuming that said woman knows she has health problems, and attempts to get pregnant anyways, knowing that it might well end up in complications like are discussed in the paragraph above (late term abortions) or produce an unhealthy baby, she is basically gambling with her future baby, and I find this sick and irresponsible."

So..you want to ban/punish parents with health problems as afformentioned from raising a family? That's more sick and wrong. It's like you want people with health problems to drop dead and not experience the joys of raising a family. ...  So..it's only the baby that matters to you? Not the parents? You show sympathy for the baby only but not the parents..

"So I've given some justification and support of my analogy, while you call it 'hooplah', whatever the hell that means."

Xel already refuted it.

"Good to see you have a convincing reason/argument why the analogy was bad."

Thanks.

"Brothels are illegal or nonexistant practically everywhere."

I know of a few vague locations of brothels in my state, as well as in other states. Nebraska even has brothels that cater to women.

""I have never came across that situation. So..the majority of people whom are deprived are ugly people? Ugly people, pretty people, fair people, they're all people to me."

Exactly.  People have the ability to exercise self-control over this decision, and it is proven by those who find themselves unable to find partners."

I find that laughable. So you peek into other people's bed habits? People are still people, no matter whom they are on the outside. In fact, people just don't go for looks now-a-days, they go for personality, which is more important. The ugliest person in the world may still be a winner at heart.

""Comprehensive sex-ed starting at the fifth-sixth grade level. Hell, with the way this society is, I wouldn't care if it was started at the fourth grade level."

Who cares when it starts? It shouldn't start."

So you're contradicting yourself and your position. You don't want comprehensive sex-ed which will cut unwanted pregnancies so you shouldn't have a say on this debate. Get the Hell out.

"If you want it, get it with your own money for your kids."

Very, very spiteful. It is the government's job to provide those services.

""Children don't take the time to learn."

Too bad for them."

Spiteful.. Get the Hell out.

""Moreover, how would they know if it would harm them in the first place?"

I knew."

You do not speak for other people. Just because you knew something doesn't mean that others do.

"Kids aren't as dumb as you think.  By about the time they are old enough to really, *really* start wanting to have sex, they have already had plenty of opportunities to learn about it."

Alas, those opportunities are becoming quite scarce since faggots are cutting comprehensive sex-ed.

""In turn, the parent would have to tell them that it hurt them."

You think the only way to learn about sex is through your parents or through your teacher? LOL.  My parents never told me shit about sex, and I learned and turned out fine."

Again, you don't speak for other people.

""This is why we need sex-ed at a minor's level so they'd understand what happens during sex."

Minors don't need sex-ed to learn about sex."

In this day and age they do.

"Children don't *need* sex-ed to learn about sex.  Your average american kid has every opportunity within reason to learn about it on his own, just like I did."

They do in this day and age since most people are quiet or don't want to talk about the subject to a minor.

"Sure.  Children aren't as dumb and inept as you think.  By the time they are old enough to get pregnant, or even get their hormones pumping so they actually start *wanting* to have sex in the first place, they have already been here long enough and had plenty of opportunities to learn on their own, or ask others questions."

Hmm.. does this apply to six year olds as well? I just read about three male minors ages 5-7 raping a two year old female. Comprehensive is needed so they'll have the ammo they need at a direct manner so they make informed decisions. You're expecting too much of children. You are living in a fantasy world.

You really don't care for any one other than fricken fetuses/babies. You don't show sympathy for any one whom isn't a fetus/baby. Go hug one. You're also against the establishment of comprehensive sex-ed/prevention methods. You are also a very..very spiteful person. You shouldn't be in this debate.