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Abortion and Women's Rights

Name: Anonymous 2006-07-26 22:10

Abortion has nothing to do with women's rights.  Murder is not a right. 

Name: Kumori 2006-08-27 21:54

""It really isn't common knowledge in this day and age."

By the time you are old enough to have sex, it is common enough."

I have seen and heard about five year olds having sex already. I don't think they would have that kind of common knowledge. If they don't, then children up to the age of 13 really don't either.

""So...if there's a medical problem that threatens the woman's health/life/well-being or if the fetus has a severe abnormality she is denied an abortion in late pregnancy, nice going."

That depends on the abnormality, and what constitutes an 'abnormality.'  I would never be ok with the abortion of a fetus if the only 'abnormality' it has is that it is missing a finger or two, or some minor thing like this.  However, if the fetus has an 'abnormality' such as was mentioned before, like being born without a spinal cord or some such, then I would again be fine with a late term abortion provided it is done in a humane manner. 

In the event that a disease springs upon the woman I have already said I would be fine with a late term abortion, so long as it is done in a humane manner. 

You should also note the wording in my reply: 'Women should not be allowed to abort regardless of how late in development the fetus is.'  This means that the woman should not be allowed to abort -as she pleases, even when the fetus is late in development-.  And note once more, I say -as she pleases-, by which I mean 'willy nilly', whenever she wants, for whatever reason she wants, etc.  I don't see how you pulled out of -this- wording that I was implying that abortion should be banned if it was -necessary- to preserve the mother's life."

Hmm... CONTRADICTION! Dunanananananan.

""Women do not have abortions on a whim in late pregnancy,"

Redundant.  Whether they do or they don't, if it is murder, it should be outlawed, and I will tend to support those that will do as much."

I have already stated the reasons of late-term abortion. And yet you find it as 'murder', you are contradicting yourself here. Banning abortion is just as bad as the abortion itself.

""If the fetus (assuming seven months into pregnancy where the cerebrum starts developing) places the woman's health/life in jeaopardy or if it has a severe abnormality, then it should be terminated."

Only if done in a humane manner, and only if the woman's life is in very *serious* jeopardy."

You're still willing to place the woman's health at risk though?

"No fucking around with innocent human beings."

I Lol'd.

""Notice I said 'severe'. Geez.."

That time."

I also said it before that: "So...if there's a medical problem that threatens the woman's health/life/well-being or if the fetus has a severe abnormality she is denied an abortion in late pregnancy, nice going."

""It is quite good, considering the number of abortions and the number of women in the United States. That's an excellent number. If you want to make that number go down, then you're gonna have to provide better education and pre-natal care for mothers."

*OR* we could just toughen up the laws, and hold people accountable, not allowing them to have late-term abortions."

But you see, those late-term abortions only happen due to medical reasons. Also, notice I was talking about mothers. Laws don't help mothers keep food in their cabinets so she may get the proper nutrition she needs to give her child a healthy start. You are being completely against life and liberty here.

"Ok, so what if I happen to believe 'life' doesn't begin until age 18? Should I then be able to say 'hey you cant shove murder laws in my face, I don't believe it, lol'?"

As crazy as it sounds, if that's what you wanna believe then believe it I don't give a damn, just stay out of my face from it.

"Fetuses are nothing like moles.  Fetuses have human form, human organs developed and developing, and even attain consciousness and have feeling in the fetal stage.  Moles? ..."

Just as crazy as your Bill Gates analogy.

"You claim we have 'free-will', yet you are apparently unable to not have sex? Common.."

Yes, humans have free-will, but they also have instinct.

"What do you suppose ugly folks do?"

So..only beautiful people have sex?

"They obviously have to refrain from trying to have sex anyways."

They're still gonna have sex anyways despite looks.

"I also simply disagree with the basis upon which you are willing to dole out rights."

I believe I am right with what I said.

"My 'prejudice' is based on much of the crap you put in that post up there, which you *now* say you don't agree with.  Again, Dr. Jekyl/ Mr. Hyde."

Whatever, I don't know them. Lol.

"Also, I was not the first to 'get personal.'

Further, many of the things you interpreted as getting personal, was my ridiculing your argument and its inconsistencies, which is not necessarilly personal if you ask me, but whatever."

You were just simply blind-sighted half the time.

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