Ahem. -cracks knuckles- :D
>>368
If I was to state what I would all say about this, it would turn out just like Xel's. He took pretty much the words out of my mouth, so I second this.
>>371
"The parents/mother are to be held responsible here. If they abandon their child or something, jail them for child abuse, and locate a foster home, adoption center, ophanage, or something similar. Those who abandoned the child can be put to work and their earnings can be sent to care for the child. Problem solved"
You are focusing on punishment instead of preventive measures, you are victimizing the parents as well. We need to focus more on preventive measures that would dwindle this down.
""Pregnancy is not always something that happens to healthy people who can provide."
See above. If they weren't ready to have children, they should have taken the steps necessary to prevent production of children needing to be cared for. Hold them accountable."
That doesn't stop women with diabetes, high-blood pressure, and other disorders from risking their health/lives to become a mother out of good conscience. They are brave.
""Nor does it always happen to girls/women who have developed physically that EITHER one of them could survive. Plenty of third world shit-holes out there where a guy can rape an 11 year old and just walk away."
We are talking about the USA, and american laws, or at least I was. The USA isn't a 'third world shithole' and that kind of behavior is not accepted here, so this is redundant."
In America, you have minors ages 11-13 becoming pregnant as well which may jeapordize their health/lives, this seriously puts a dent in the Repubs' "abstinence-only" policy, children are still gonna have sex, it's a constant, not a variable. What needs to be augmented is comprehensive sex-ed.
""What about the kids who get to look forward to a brief life of scavenging for rats and flies? Would they necessarily thank you for that, especially since every new mouth to feed puts a strain on the others that is likely greater than the sum of its parts?"
I am not talking about third world nations and their laws. I am talking about the United States of America and its laws. We are far, far from a 'third world nation.'"
Believe it or not, there are some children in this nation whom scavenge in trash bins and what-not.
"Right. So I blame them. They made the choice not to take the right action, so they should be held accountable for the same set of reasons a murderer should be held accountable for not making the right choices."
Again, sex is a constant. What needs to be provided is comprehensive sex-ed and contraceptives, this would put a large dent in the number of abortions.
"I disagree. The rights of a few humans to their lives outweigh the 'rights' of a majority of women to an abortion. One freedom is obviously of far greater importance, even if its instances are much less significant in number."
The woman's right to her life outweighs the fetus'. The government doesn't just protect life, liberty, and property, but also the pursuit of happiness. "...that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." In fact, property isn't even mentioned there. The woman has a right to pursue happiness, and it is the government's job to protect that right as well. (Before you start assuming any shit, no, I'm not advocating abortion on a whim blah blah blah.)
"If we were to impliment your morality on a consistent basis it would lead us to the conclusion that we should loot Bill Gates' property, and take his money for the benefits of a greater number of people."
That analogy really sucks. Bill Gates isn't a potential fetus with no concious.
"Right, and is not just. But neither is denying all humans the right to live for the sake of one group if one injustice is worse, which would also qualify as collective punishment. The argument is which is worse - and I think that denying the right to life is a worse thing than to deny abortion, even if those effected would be of a smaller group. One right is more important, and that is life."
Yeup, the woman's right to her life and pursuit of happiness must be protected.
"Right, but the human fetus is not in its situation due to its own choice - the woman is."
The woman didn't force implantation. It's the zygote/blastocyst's fault for hijacking another person's body without her permission.
""Your Gates analogy was not equitable to the issue."
Yes it was.
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No it wasn't. :D