Abortion and Women's Rights

Abortion has nothing to do with women's rights.  Murder is not a right. 

"It is enough like one to warrant banning it depending on how late in development is.  With this in mind, I firmly oppose you liberals wanting abortion on demand, regardless of how late in development the fetus is"

I'm not a liberal, and I do not want abortion on demand.

"YES.  THAT was in response to a hypothetical situation offered me by XEL.  It has -NOTHING- to do with my position on abortion at all.  All it means, is that provided I was in that said situation, I would pick no abortions allowed, rather than ALL, due to the the number of innocent human lives that would be lost in the process of handing over 'rights' to women.  It is wrong to punish this minority of individuals."

I knew it was hypothetical, I just found it wrong and funny that you're chosing a fetus over a woman.

"Good that you are at least willing to admit that.  I still fail to see what difference it makes whether that baby happens to be inside, or outside the womb, but OK."

It is known as a fetus until birth. After birth it is then a baby.

""So I guess to you women are nothing more but mindless human incubators,"

How did you arrive at *THIS* conclusion? I never said anything of the kind.  I have a mother, a sister, and female friends in my life whom I respect just as I do anyone else.
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I got it from this: "Pro-lifers believe life begins at conception, by definition.  From this standpoint, banning abortion entirely is justified."

"LOL, you will even destroy the life of other humans to live if the woman had to endure 'lengthy travel' to an abortion clinic!  You must have quite low regard for human life."

Women in rural and suburban areas do have an undue burden on them finding a clinic early enough.

"The waiting periods were in place already.  If she waited long enough for a small waiting period to throw her over into the next trimester, and the baby comes alive in that period of time, that's tough shit.  If you waited that long, I blame you, period."

It's even harder for a minor to find a clinic, due to legal process.

"I see, so we should kill people who are *already alive* who have severe abnormalities.  You must love cripples."

A severe, abnormal fetus is quite different from a cripple. Are you willing to let a mother give birth to a baby that will die moments later or harm her health/life? That'll be horrible for her to experience.

"Thank you for admitting that you would remove the right to life of humans who have abnormalities."

Irrelevant. A fetus isn't like an adult whose crippled/abnormal. Unlike the adult, who's already here and living, the fetus has a great chance of dieing from an abnormality and harming the woman.

"Birth control is widely availible.  If it isn't, you shouldn't be having sex until you get your hands on some."

It isn't that widely available. It also has grown more expensive and not all health insurance companies offer coverage for it. People are still going to have sex despite lack of availability and cost, it's just the way they are. The government should be responsible enough not to hinder availability in the first place, otherwise, it contradicts what they're doing. There will be more abortions.

"Whether or not the republicans make birth control difficult to find or not is besides the point that human life should be defended by the government, period."

Umm..wrong.. They don't want abortions, but at the same time they are making contraceptives harder to obtain and more expensive..which is what causes unwanted pregnancies, and thus more abortions. They are defeating themselves.

"Employment should be entirely voluntary.  For someone who talks about liberty, freedom, and rights, to casually discuss forcing employers to hire mothers, is ridiculous to me.  Your ideas are absolutely inconsistent with freedom and liberty, and the foundation of America - freedom, liberty, and the right to life.  Employers have the freedom to hire or not hire whoever they want, for whatever reason they want.  This is as it should be."

I'm talking about the women whom are already in the workplace, then became pregnant and wanted to become mothers. Employers discriminate against them.

"My friend I dragged on my ship is parasitically eating the food I have on my ship, and shitting in my ship as well.  I guess I should have the freedom to throw him off into the deep sea."

Then again, your friend isn't syphoning your nutrients from your body, then later, shitting into the same tube leading into your body.