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Abortion and Women's Rights

Name: Anonymous 2006-07-26 22:10

Abortion has nothing to do with women's rights.  Murder is not a right. 

Name: Xel 2006-08-20 12:38

"It already has been scientifically proven that the cerebrum (the area of the brain responsible for thought and conscious) doesn't start developing until the seventh month in the third trimester (third trimester abortions count for less than 1% of abortions in America, and are only done under medical circumstances). Even then, it is only a VERY small fragment of a concious, even after birth the brain is still highly undeveloped. I'm not advocating my abortion position, I'm just laying out the cold, hard facts." Well, then that is settled, and this shows that most pro-lifers value an uncommonly complicated and intricate facility of cells over a human with a MIND, that unfathomably intricate process and state that is required to experience the corporal, physical world, i.e. life.
"A fetus isn't an actual human 'being', potential life doesn't have rights. Rights pertain to what is already here, living and breathing. Like you or me. If you are going to give rights to the potential, then you are essentially giving sperm and ovums rights as well, as they have the ability to become potential fetuses when joined." My skin cells have the same genetical complexity of an entire foetus, so I would not be able to scratch myself if life begins at conception. However, if the foetus has gained a unique persona, neither I nor the mother can claim superiority. Saying that the foetus is a leech of nutrients, not giving anything to society or not having advanced faculties is not sufficient, because if you universalized that we would have to kill the mentally challenged and all hobos we can find.
"A woman's rights superceed that of the fetus' - which has no rights." Up until the foetus has a human mind. I know the woman is the one offering the nutrients, but then she shouldn't have waited that long. On the other hand, the politicians who are against abortions are usually the ones that make abortion clinics, sex education and birth control so scarce, so it's not surprising that there are so many poor single mothers. Maybe we could raise the minimum wages? Nah, then we'd all die and the muslims would win.
"The vast majority (93%) of abortions occur during the embryo stage before it becomes a fetus (at 23 weeks). An embryo is indeed no more than a lump of flesh. Nothing to worry about." Finally. Facts. 338 > me.
"Cecilia Fire Thunder is an awesome name..." So is Rebeykah. And Marlon. And Iesaiah. And Quentin. So many cool names to choose from. I actually want to get a kid just so I can give it a sweet name (kidding).
"What about the woman's right to her own life? The woman's right-to-life superceeds that of the fetus', which again, has no rights since it isn't an actual person. Also it is the woman's right to her own life that allows her to have an abortion if she feels the need to. You are subjugating women to be nothing more than incubators and will let those with complications die. Killing a woman just for the sake of the fetus is utterly absurd. Then again, there's a great chance that the fetus will die along with the mother. So you'll have two deaths on your hands..not really 'pro-life' if I must say. Nulling abortion entirely fails." I still think that if a woman waits until the seventh month she has to suit herself... But I too think that nulling it is vile and stupid, because that is collective punishment, an insult to liberty of equal immorality *but greater scope* of having some bad abortions along with the acceptable ones. 7 % of abortions killing unborn human beings is nothing comparable to half of America's population being dehumanized. Especially when these 7 % occur in a nation where men have the upper hand, and most conservatives make decisions that make pregnancies, getting an abortion at embryonic/pre-cerebrum stages and the task of motherhood harder.

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