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Abortion and Women's Rights

Name: Anonymous 2006-07-26 22:10

Abortion has nothing to do with women's rights.  Murder is not a right. 

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-20 11:41

"Would it be OK with you to abort a baby the day before it could be born naturally?"

Your use situations that NEVER happen causes your own defeat. There is NO SUCH THING as an abortion occuring the day before the fetus is born. Abortions before the day it is born NEVER HAPPENS.

"Explain to me, how and why you think the brain doesn't develop until the second the baby happens to be squeezed out of the woman's body?"

It already has been scientifically proven that the cerebrum (the area of the brain responsible for thought and conscious) doesn't start developing until the seventh month in the third trimester (third trimester abortions count for less than 1% of abortions in America, and are only done under medical circumstances). Even then, it is only a VERY small fragment of a concious, even after birth the brain is still highly undeveloped. I'm not advocating my abortion position, I'm just laying out the cold, hard facts.

"there is another human whose rights are to be considered."

A fetus isn't an actual human 'being', potential life doesn't have rights. Rights pertain to what is already here, living and breathing. Like you or me. If you are going to give rights to the potential, then you are essentially giving sperm and ovums rights as well, as they have the ability to become potential fetuses when joined.

"at which time certain parental rights ARE to be subjugated before the right of the fetus to live"

A woman's rights superceed that of the fetus' - which has no rights.

"If it is technically 'human', and it is alive, it is the proper function of government to protect it, regardless of whether or not that faculty is what distances a human from a lump of flesh."

It still isn't an actual human 'being' or person like you or me. What separates those whom are already here, and potential fetuses is personhood. A fetus doesn't have personhood, it has no concious. It is a lump of flesh and tissue until it develops the necessary thought processes for personhood, which doesn't develop as I said until the seventh month in the third trimester when it even gets a fragment of a cerebrum.

"There's a lot more abortions happening than you think.  I think pro-lifers have quite a lot more reason to be angry than pro-choicers."

The vast majority (93%) of abortions occur during the embryo stage before it becomes a fetus (at 23 weeks). An embryo is indeed no more than a lump of flesh. Nothing to worry about.

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Pro-lifers have a lot to worry about than what you think.

"The situation in South Dakota is not sound, not utilitarian, not ethically, not morally, not philosophically and not sociologically sound. Yet that is what most of the the pro-lifers want and I've established that a society can't have that. A mixture of abortions, ethical and unethical, are more acceptable than no abortions at all. Keep at it, Cecilia Fire Thunder. Fuck them up."

Cecilia Fire Thunder is an awesome name..

"If you recall, the question was whether or not I would ban all abortions, or ban none, provided those were my only two options.    The right to life is just as essential and to be protected as the right to liberty"

What about the woman's right to her own life? The woman's right-to-life superceeds that of the fetus', which again, has no rights since it isn't an actual person. Also it is the woman's right to her own life that allows her to have an abortion if she feels the need to. You are subjugating women to be nothing more than incubators and will let those with complications die. Killing a woman just for the sake of the fetus is utterly absurd. Then again, there's a great chance that the fetus will die along with the mother. So you'll have two deaths on your hands..not really 'pro-life' if I must say. Nulling abortion entirely fails.

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