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Abortion and Women's Rights

Name: Anonymous 2006-07-26 22:10

Abortion has nothing to do with women's rights.  Murder is not a right. 

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-14 19:29

>>256
"What about rape though. I'd think that warrents abortion if all else doesn't."

We've already mentioned this.  Exceptions to the law would be made for obviously justified cases.

>>258
>>253
"Emancipate the embryo." is catchier.

>>255
"The fetus is infringing on the woman's body and is hijacking her blood/nutrients and shitting in her bloodstream."

Saying the woman should have the right to kill a live human fetus for taking her nutrients and shitting in her bloodstream is like saying if I invited my friend over to my house, and he ate my food, and took a shit in my bathroom, I should then have the right to kill him.  The point is, of course, the fetus has been invited by the woman's actions.  To remove it at this point would be essentially murder.  If she didn't want it there, she should have taken the steps necessary to prevent it from forming in the first place.  It isn't difficult.  Just use adequate contraceptives and you won't need an abortion to begin with. 

"You mean to the actions of both the man and woman. Women can't reproduce on their own."

No, I mean due to the actions of the woman.  This is entirely irrelevant, however, since the fetus is innocent, and has a right to live regardless of what bullshit is going on outside, except in obvious situations that were unavoidable to the woman, such as rape, or to abort if NECESSARY to preserve the woman's life, as when medically necessary. 

"Rights only pertain to ACTUAL living human beings, not POTENTIAL life forms. A fetus is POTENTIAL."

The fetus is not a 'potential' life form.  The fetus is alive.  Pro-life means you think life begins at conception (or possibly if you are 'moderately' pro-life, that it simply can begin before birth).  This is all sensible anyways, as I'm sure not even you radical liberals would advocate aborting a fetus the day before it could be born normally...

"Sex is a natural activity for men and women as well."

Sure.  Use adequate contraceptives then. 

"Troll. A fetus isn't concious and it can't feel because it doesn't have a cerebral cortex. A cerebral cortex is required to interrept feelings and have thought perception."

Actually, fetuses have all the organs of a normal human being. 

"Only until the last two months does it have so. The brain doesn't develop until late in the third trimester, and even after birth, the brain is still underdeveloped."

Underdeveloped doesn't mean nonexistant, and doesn't mean it can't function.  Children and teenager's brains don't develop entirely until they have been on the earth for a while, but you wouldn't claim that they are not sentient, and can feel. 

"An embryo/fetus isn't an actual human being, it isn't a person. It isn't truely a BEING like you or me or a baby or a child or your father or mother, etc."

If it has all the organs of a human being inside it, and is essentially a miniature human being, and is alive (not to mention sentient and has feeling and sense), it should be murder to kill it unless absolutely necessary for very valid reasons - and to prevent inconvenience to the mother is not one of them. 

"(I had to laugh when I read that.)"

Kinda like I laughed when you resorted to calling me a 'fascist' because I wanted to make laws against murder. 

"Abortion isn't murder since an embryo/fetus isn't an ACTUAL PERSON."

It isn't a person TO YOU.  Pro-life means you think life begins at conception, or if only 'moderately' pro-life, that it simply can begin before birth.  Birth is not the beginning of one's life.  If you say "yes it is", let me ask you, would you be ok with aborting a fetus the day before its scheduled, natural birth? Or would this be murder? 

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"Ignorant troll. Go back under the bridge where you came from and profess your balant, ignorant 'morality' to the fish in the stream."

Many of our laws are based upon morality.  Why do you suppose we have laws against rape? It has nothing to do with the stability of society, it has to do with the fact that raping someone is a violation of their individual rights.  Laws exist to protect individuals from each other, and it is the proper role of a government to do this.  This is 'morally' correct, and it would be proper to protect a developing human fetus from a mother wanting to murder it, if necessary.

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