>>158 Okay, semantically poor choice of words. Then again, since half a kid belongs to the fellow, and the foetus is taking the woman's nutrients not to mention coming out of her (80 % chance of tearing, weight gain, emotional upheaval), I still think that abortions are something civilization will have to settle with until it learns a few lessons. But, hey, my conception was unintended, it's just *I* wouldn't have been killed per se if my parents wouldn't have wanted me. I am a completely random landscape of intendations, traumas, memories and satan knows what else. Without these I have no unique personality, no sense of 'self' (the main reason babies touch stuff is to see what is 'me' and what is not) and no uniqueness at all. Then again, considering babies do move inside the womb if they are feeling uncomfortable, and that I did find silent shout quite a moodkiller (the infamous video, not the unbeatable techno album by The Knife) I do think there should be some kind of punishment for women who didn't care to investigate whether they were pregnant until their foetuses had nerves and what could be called consciousness.