Abortion and Women's Rights

Abortion has nothing to do with women's rights.  Murder is not a right. 

"Face it: You don't care about proof. If you haven't thought to seek that proof out, that's your problem. I'm not going to rail off a bunch of links just for you to tell me they're bullshit. This isn't LINK WARZZZ this is a debate."

Translation: I have no proof and, therefore, will not attempt to post any.

"....and the problem with that is...what, exactly? Finding out the source of a problem and fixing it would take as much beaucracy as "fixing" the problem (in the way that you suggest) adnausuem. The difference here is that the "fix" would be permanent."

That's the problem. You have a very warped definition of what "fixed" means. You think that the way to cure over-population is to downsize on said population even--And all of this is being said whilst quoting the law! Lawful ethics do not entail murder. Moreover, no one here has even bothered to prove that their is an over-population problem. All you've done is pointed out the existence of poor people. I didn't realize that being jobless equaled overpopulation. As a compliment to this farcical logic, you have still been unable to prove non-life of a fetus.

"Are you catholic, or perhaps muslim? From the east or raised in an eastern household? Just wondering."

Yes, I notice you like stereotyping religion quite a bit even though religion has nothing to do with this conversation.

I'm a theist. I do not, however, belong to any particular religion. I believe got the ball rolling an walked away. I also believe your retard if you base the validity of a person's arguments on their religion and not the arguments themselves.

"As for your points: Men have the option to not have sex in the first place just like women. Therefore, the condom breaking makes the woman just as "innocent" as the man."

Not if the woman knows it would be wiser not to continue. The male doesn't know everything that's going on with the female's body.

"Women are not "the most effected"."

So guys can give birth to kids too?

"I suppose your foster upbringing explains why you don't understand this."

I can see I'm wearing you down now that you're resorting to personal insults. Next time, be sure to type the word "fail" as an addendum to any comment you may have about my childhood. That way, I'll know I've made you have to use your trump card.

"Everytime you say something like this, it equals to extremism."

And your abondonment of secular ethics within law isn't a form of extremism? I've already shown you how your toleration of abortion is murder and aside from actually denying the truth, you've even bothered to say that population-control is an acceptable policy as a double front that hypothetically advocates the idea(fact) that killing fetuses is murder.

"Are you going to strap a bomb to yourself and blow us both up, next?"

Why would I do that exactly?

"I suppose my death wouldn't be a murder would it?"

Why would I think that exactly?

"Or how about yours?"

Why would I want to kill myself exactly?

"It doesn't matter. It's completely subjective as to which is harder. You and I, being men will never know anyway."

You say this after you've already attempted to derail the labors of a mother with the apparent hardship of an abortionist. And I'm not exactly sure how we'll "never know." Raising children is oviously harder than disposing of them.

"But, the means aren't unethical. Prove that abortion will utterly destroy the fabic of society, please. If you can't then you fail."

I've already proved that abortion destroys one of the main tenets of our society. And without it, it puts said society in danger of collapse. If abortion is murder (and it is), and murder is against the law, and law was their so we could live in peace with tolerating anti-life problems like murder, and the anathema of murder was exposed of, then we leave our principles of law to die--And this, in turn, leaves our society open to tolerating the downsizing of "unuseful" citizens.

"Re-Read please: "Political ethics aren't morals. So "morals" (<==== Note the sarcastic quotations) shouldn't be DOGOMATICALLY enforced upon the masses via politics."

I never said MORALS should be enforced. I said ETHICS should be enforced. If you're confusing "ethics" for "morals", then you have problems. And I'm not sure how ethics can inspire dogma.





Oh, right!

Fail.