Abortion and Women's Rights

Abortion has nothing to do with women's rights.  Murder is not a right. 

Review. It hasn't been proven. That makes it murder.

Yes it has. And even if it hasn't that wouldn't make it murder. Sorry. You lose again.

Could this reasoning be anymore scattered? If it's in the womb of SOMEONE, then it's logically concluded that it's said SOMEONE's responsibility.

Right. Someone, being: Not you. Not the state. Not the government. Abortion is responsibility.

But it IS the case. I'm sorry if you're such an over the top feminist that you can't see it, but one who has sex without the intent of having children should make sure they won't have them as an end result. No amount of 'your hate for women disgusts me,' will deflect the fact that she wasn't being careful. You can only operate on the assumption that a child doesn't live for so long until you realize that abortion shouldn't be a form of birth control for someone.

Once again: Shit happens and men are everybody bit as responsible for birth control as women are. Most abortions take place at the request of the male or at the inate fear that the male wouldn't accept his responsiblity to raise the child, or society or the government would remove it's responsiblity to assist through welfare. Since, you know, that government is so dead set on the woman having the baby-  even the though the child will be raised in an environment where he'll be more likely to become a criminal and subject to capital punishment or be impoverished to the point of joining the army and being killed in a war.

I'm not a feminist, because the term itself is pretty stupid. I just think equality, liberty and fairness are more important than treating women like "irresponsible bitches". You're basically trying to legislate vaginas, meanwhile you do nothing to address the numerous of condomless cocks that help make those babies. It's this one sidedness that is show is shown in Chinese, Muslims and Catholics. All have overpopulation problems. I don't think this is coincidence and I think you know this. This is why you continue to not address this point.

What are you trying to accomplish with this? Are you going to try and say that they go through so much pain to get rid of the fetus and thus they shouldn't be yelled at? Well I know many mothers who've gone through infinitely more pain than they have throughout their lives of having kids. Perhaps you should take them into mind before you try to use abortion as a comparison of hardship.

Why? They had a choice and made it. I find your willingness to eliminate this choice outright very suspicious, seeing as how we live in a democracy and all. The thing is liberty means being free to "fuck up" or be "irresponsible" in the eyes of others without some muslim or catholic fuck chiming in with this intelligence that has been formed directly from the bible. My point is that you make abortion to be this sinful, irresponsible , quick-fix kind of act. But it's not. Sorry if that destroys the entire premise for your argument. But you're still wrong.

Yes yes, I know, "morals aren't the issue." Perhaps you'd prefer living in an anarchy, but I sure as hell don't. The legalization of abortion and the logic behind its process is a clear cut violation of the foundation of ethics that this country is built--You may want to associate those ethics with religion if you wish, but that will just show how ignorant you are and how much you want to go out of your way to pull the "zealot" card. Political ethics aren't morals.

Exactly! You're slow starting to admit it, I see. Political ethics aren't morals. So "morals" shouldn't be DOGOMATICALLY enforced upon the masses via politics. It's a simple premise, one that has kept us from becoming communists or theocratic states. Stop ignoring the philosophical aspects of this debate.