Abortion and Women's Rights

Abortion has nothing to do with women's rights.  Murder is not a right. 

"What I'm saying is- you can't just keep repeating that it's murder and that it's wrong over, over and over when it's already been proven that it isn't murder up until a certain point (3rd trimester)."

Review. It hasn't been proven. That makes it murder.

"You can't insist that a child is any one person's responsibilty when that "person" hasn't even exited the womb, yet."

Could this reasoning be anymore scattered? If it's in the womb of SOMEONE, then it's logically concluded that it's said SOMEONE's responsibility.

"Your attitude toward women is entirely fucked up. Referring to her as "An irrsponsible bitch" is very telling of the kind of sexually repressed world you live in."

But it IS the case. I'm sorry if you're such an over the top feminist that you can't see it, but one who has sex without the intent of having children should make sure they won't have them as an end result. No amount of 'your hate for women disgusts me,' will deflect the fact that she wasn't being careful. You can only operate on the assumption that a child doesn't live for so long until you realize that abortion shouldn't be a form of birth control for someone.

"Also, your comment in regards to abortion being "the easy way out" shows an ignorance and a common misconception that abortion is easy. No one who I know that has had an abortion has termed it as "easy", or acted as if it was this "fix it, quick" procedure that you seem to think it is."

What are you trying to accomplish with this? Are you going to try and say that they go through so much pain to get rid of the fetus and thus they shouldn't be yelled at? Well I know many mothers who've gone through infinitely more pain than they have throughout their lives of having kids. Perhaps you should take them into mind before you try to use abortion as a comparison of hardship.

"Finally, you keep arguing this in the direction of "I'm more right then you are". When all I'm saying is that humans have a choice between right and wrong."

Yes yes, I know, "morals aren't the issue." Perhaps you'd prefer living in an anarchy, but I sure as hell don't. The legalization of abortion and the logic behind its process is a clear cut violation of the foundation of ethics that this country is built--You may want to associate those ethics with religion if you wish, but that will just show how ignorant you are and how much you want to go out of your way to pull the "zealot" card. Political ethics aren't morals.

"All citizens in a society have varying degrees of responsibility for the state of their society. Acting on society acts on the people, acting on other people as deterrance doesn't work (capital punishment springs to mind)"

Bull. Whenever society's thriving, it's the people who are responsible. On the other hand, when it's crumbling, it's still the people. Thus, focusing on their attribument is the logical thing to do. Do you really want mass murderers cluttering up the prisons when the tolerance of their incurable animosity is a risk of more death?

"What is the cause of irresponsible people?"

Oh, there's many sources of carlessness these days. Socialism, modernist feminism, etc.. But that's pretty much irrelevent in light of the relativity throughout the respective characters of society. The only thing that needs to be noted is that they have the ability to be more disciplined and responsible and yet they aren't doing anything of the sort. The funniest part of all this is that you want to tolerate it.

"but the very reason America's prison situation is so bad is because people tried to deter criminals."

Wow. I'd really love to hear your reasoning behind this.

"Neither you nor I wanted that murder to occur, so we are free of hostile intent towards the victim. If we tried to remove the perpetrator or the means of the perpetration we would have to harm principles of freedom in order to wipe our hands of bad conscience and then we are not innocent anymore."

I'd be more apalled by this statement if I wasn't totally convinced you were a lunatic. Apparently, I was right the first time around; you're an anarchist.

"That is a very common view in the land of the free"

Perhaps because it's true.

Only problem with it is that when a country lives free too long, the let it go to their head and they take everything for granted. You and all of the women who abort their children for example.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by America not being "meritocratic." If anything, this is the most meritocratic country in the world. For more than a century, it's been rewarding people for their abilities. Capitalism's history in North America is the greatest example of this.