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Abortion and Women's Rights

Name: Anonymous 2006-07-26 22:10

Abortion has nothing to do with women's rights.  Murder is not a right. 

Name: Xel 2006-08-01 15:29

"I guess that's a valid statement.  It's partly the woman's fault for paying for and asking for one, and it's parly the doctor's fault for committing the actual act." All citizens in a society have varying degrees of responsibility for the state of their society. Acting on society acts on the people, acting on other people as deterrance doesn't work (capital punishment springs to mind)
"he cause of unwanted pregnancies is irresponsible people.  Birth control has widespread availibility.  There is absolutely no reason why your average person can't use it, and thus there's no reason to allow abortion.  It's an affront to human life in general, and should be banned except in certain specific circumstances." What is the cause of irresponsible people?
"They made a choice to commit them.  By tightening up the penalties on making certain choices, people will have to act in a more responsible way, or suffer the consequences.  We have laws for reasons. " Well, capital punishment is a wonderful detterant isn't it? Okay, I can't possibly equate DP with having to give birth, but the very reason America's prison situation is so bad is because people tried to deter criminals.
"So if a murderer who isn't me kills someone, I'm responsible? Good thing you sound so fucking unbelievable, nobody will listen to this shit." Neither you nor I wanted that murder to occur, so we are free of hostile intent towards the victim. If we tried to remove the perpetrator or the means of the perpetration we would have to harm principles of freedom in order to wipe our hands of bad conscience and then we are not innocent anymore.
"Poverty is something controllable by the people in question.  If they didn't want to be poor, they should have acted differently." That is a very common view in the land of the free* (*potsmokers, alleged terrorists and 233 others classified as 'unamerican' not applicale). What an odd coincidence that America is less meritocratic than my good old *Sweden* (one of the worst examples of statism available).

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