How to eliminate poverty.

This discussion is an attempt to induce from the facts how a 1st world country could socio-economically eliminate poverty. Every political group believes that eliminating poverty is a good idea.

Modern civilisation can easily eliminate poverty that is not caused by crime or accidents as the gdp per capita indicates. It can also reduce crime considerably, but that discussion can take place in another thread. Commonly in this thread people make irresponsible sweeping assumptions about other posters, this is due to petty foibles which are irrational ideas you have. Ask other posters questions before making sweeping assumptions, for instance I sound very much like a socialist, I am not I am a realist, at this point socialists will believe that I am insulting socialism and saying it is not realistic. I am a realist so you must prove to me the merits of your argument and cannot make any sweeping assumptions. Here is a brief list of things which would decrease poverty.

Maintenance of the market economy. Market economies are much more efficient than planned economies.

Minimum wage respective of what funds a person needs to keep themselves out of poverty. This could be in the form of food stamps and state accomodation and any money a person can earn above minimum wage will be in the form of money. No one will get state accomodation unless they have a job. The state will seek to make the accomodation as economical as possible whilst staying clear of anything that might cause crime or poverty.

Welfare will only go to under 16s, this will be extensive and be aimed entirely at ensuring the person can get a job when they have finnished their education. Parents will not get paid for having children, the money will go to the children to ensure the parents spend the money on their children.

Schools will be privatised.

A good idea would be to train orphans from infancy to work in special forces and as elite pilots as a special warrior-class in the military. Some people might disagree with this.

The government will privatise it's job centres and job advertising/searching agencies.

Hospitals will be privatised.

Insurance companies will be privatised and everyone with a job must pay a small sum of salary to insurance

Tax should be decreased.

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Fuck private schools. The idea is horseshit, it will only widen gaps between rich and poor.  Do you think any good school wants poor trash making the white middle class girls uncomfortable? Poor kids will get rejected from enrollment, they can go deal crack.

Privatizing Hospitals, EVEN BETTER, now doctors only have to treat the clean, rich, well off patients who come in, and can deny service to anyone for any reason at all. Whereas in other situations thats all fine and good, but in the medical field people fucking die if they don't get treated.  I dunno, letting people die because they can't pay you money up front seems unethical to me, I guess I'm a bleeding heart. 

Children get the money? Oh great, I'm sure a 5 year old has the ability to know how to support him/herself with that money.

Military/Warrior Class? We already have that, its the recruiting scheme already used, "Find poor black/latin kid and get him to join the Armed Forces" Not only does it allow for the conduction of foreign adventures to fatten the pockets of lockheed martin, it also gets said black/latino kids killed! Hooray!

Have you ever PAID insurance? Are you out of your mind? Government already forces you to have car insurance, and this government-corporate team is the most glaring example I can think of as contradiction of the "free-market" America loves. Fuck insurance, its just like a tax, but it helps out some douchebag corporation that won't fucking cough up when you get hurt.  I have no fucking love for that beautiful piece of capitalism, I'd rather it wither and die will the repeal of insurance laws.


I never expect businesses to be ethical, thats why we have to imprison Enron executives and have the SEC.  Government may not be as clean and ethical as we'd like it to be, but at least profit is not in it's mission statement.

Libertarians, lol, they pop a chubby whenever anyone says PRIVATIZE.