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How to eliminate poverty.

Name: Anonymous 2006-07-22 5:28

This discussion is an attempt to induce from the facts how a 1st world country could socio-economically eliminate poverty. Every political group believes that eliminating poverty is a good idea.

Modern civilisation can easily eliminate poverty that is not caused by crime or accidents as the gdp per capita indicates. It can also reduce crime considerably, but that discussion can take place in another thread. Commonly in this thread people make irresponsible sweeping assumptions about other posters, this is due to petty foibles which are irrational ideas you have. Ask other posters questions before making sweeping assumptions, for instance I sound very much like a socialist, I am not I am a realist, at this point socialists will believe that I am insulting socialism and saying it is not realistic. I am a realist so you must prove to me the merits of your argument and cannot make any sweeping assumptions. Here is a brief list of things which would decrease poverty.

Maintenance of the market economy. Market economies are much more efficient than planned economies.

Minimum wage respective of what funds a person needs to keep themselves out of poverty. This could be in the form of food stamps and state accomodation and any money a person can earn above minimum wage will be in the form of money. No one will get state accomodation unless they have a job. The state will seek to make the accomodation as economical as possible whilst staying clear of anything that might cause crime or poverty.

Welfare will only go to under 16s, this will be extensive and be aimed entirely at ensuring the person can get a job when they have finnished their education. Parents will not get paid for having children, the money will go to the children to ensure the parents spend the money on their children.

Schools will be privatised.

A good idea would be to train orphans from infancy to work in special forces and as elite pilots as a special warrior-class in the military. Some people might disagree with this.

The government will privatise it's job centres and job advertising/searching agencies.

Hospitals will be privatised.

Insurance companies will be privatised and everyone with a job must pay a small sum of salary to insurance

Tax should be decreased.

Name: Anonymous 2006-07-24 16:18


I'd love to see this justice you speak of, Insurance is still a ripoff. Corporations do all kinds of fucking shit that doesn't get checked by our beautiful justice system, as the amount of money you have is inversely porportional to how the court can hurt you.
 
Private schools do have higher educational outputs, but they cost more, does the average poor person have the fucking money to pay to educate their kids when they could just have them commit crimes?  Vouchers, ok, let's see how this works....Everyone gets paid a $2000 voucher that they have to pay back in taxes...Since schools are privatized, they can charge whatever they want, so School A charges $1500 for tuition, and School B charges $5000 for tuition...which school will provide better education and which school will the poor kid go to? What about those schools that have a religious hue to them? If I hear "government regulates voucher money" or "government enforces Aff Action for poor people" you're talking socialism.

Medical care is the biggest domestic issue in the US right now, one of the huge problems is how fucking defunct and corrupt the FDA is, we need a better arbitrary department in it's place.  Doctors get paid a lot, but they deserve it for their schooling, malpractice insurance shouldn't be so neccessary for doctors.
Pharmacutical companies make too much fucking money and the FDA protects their asses, only solution I know of is for someone to start a drug company that sells said drugs for less.
We need a state-managed drug retailer, so those pharmacists can stop denying people birth control based on their religious beliefs.

Military is a great avenue I believe, poor people with no where to go are lucky to have this option open, but it shouldn't be so damn life-threatening, less foreign adventures imo.

Capitalism isn't all that great when the institutions that "promote" capitalism are simply protecting Corporations that exercise tactics that are contrary the the capitalist mindset.

The problem with just having rival companies and a free press to stamp out corruption and evil practices is that it hasn't happened.  We have had a free press since the revolution, and corporations have slandered each other from the dawn of their existence, but they all wised up.  The "free press" is not free anymore, due to the costs of running businesses and the fact that the only source of revenue is to advertise or speak favorably of some product or corp.  MULTIPLE "free presses" give conflicting information of said products, making the press less trusted in the minds of the people.  Corporations know that competition is hard for profits, so they merge and monopolize, which makes controlling the market easier for them, and it also eliminates whistle-blowers from former rivals.
If a solution is avaliable to this, I don't know of it.  Perhaps, if anything, government should have less of a hand in business, and a tax-funded news service should be established, with true democratic administration of it. Oh, and the FCC should suck a fat one.



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