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holocaust didn't happen

Name: Anonymous 2006-05-29 19:24

Hello 4chan, I need your help. I know that in the past we have agreed with the fact that the holocaust didn't really happen to the extent that the jews say it was. Like, 6millions jews killed my ass, amirite?

Well, I'm going to be writing a paper on this and I would like you all to help me, because anyone outside 4chan probably wouldnt help me without calling be an anti-semite faggot.

So yeah, what are some compelling arguments I could use without sounding like an anti-semite faggot? I don't hate jews or anything. I just think it was exaggerated.

thx

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-03 1:56

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-03 2:15

How then, did 6 million documented people, who had been seen rounded up into railcars, their property stolen, and never to be seen again, just fucking vanish?
How is it, you are telling me, that the millions of German citizens were seeing some sort of Jewish plot to get attention and generate sympathy, that the hundreds of thousands of ppl they knew just vanished, that the Documented Nazi officers who rounded them up were actors, and the concentration camps with furnances, and gas chambers, and fuckloads of bodies, and German officer accounts, were all staged?

You're telling us, that everything that the millions of Germans say concerning the Jews was meant to create sympathy for them?
This would be the biggest fucking show, would require organization that would have been impossible in the 1940s, and much more difficult to pull off than actually killing the Jews and hiding the bodies...

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-03 2:19

>>3
Freedom to be a fucking douchebag and live in your own little world where Hitler gave every Jew a PS2.
>>40
Really, well, it's one thing that Stalin was our ally at the time, and that his killings during the great patriotic war where not racially motivated, thats why they are particularly heinous.  Besides that, the Soviet System was a horrific, yet institutionalized, just like how war is.  However, systematic destruction of a people that didn't do fuck to you for beliefs is not classifed as proper institutionalized violence.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-03 2:45

>>42
Gas chambers were used to clean clothing and mattresses from lice and other bugs that spread diseases. If the Germans had not cleaned the clothing of the Jews, they would have died of diseases. I can keep going on, but this is just one little thing that people miss. Gas chambers to kill people my ass.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-03 2:46

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-03 3:05

>>43
       Stalin was NOT our ally at the time and never was.  Stalin simplly wasn't our primary enemy at the time.  kind of like iran isn't our current ally, but isn't our current enemy, but their time is comming.
>>44
       your kidding, right?
       What about photographic and video evidence of stacks of bodies, and hundreds of people kept starving.  this is too early to be photoshop and video editing, this really happened. and the germans did document all of these people, and how many they killed.  and there are german soilders that worked at these camps that admitted to their parts in this.  some are still around today, as only the officers were charged with warcrimes.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-03 3:18

i mean we didn't do this after WWI why for WWII.

Geez, man, learn some history.

I do not know if the Holocaust happened (I believe it did), but you're completely ignorant if you believe there wasn't huge shit-slinging in WWI. Hitler got his ideas from Mussolini, who in turn got his ideas from the British. The British perfected demonizing the opponent in WWI; if the material from the MoI were to be believed, the Germans literally ate babies.

In fact, it was because there was such a huge pile of garbage being churned out by the British Ministry of Information in WWI, which turned out false, that nobody believed it when foreign correspondants started worrying about Hitler was doing until WWII finished. They thought it was more of the same old lies they'd heard earlier.

Never cry wolf. That's one lesson to learn here.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-03 3:27

>>What about photographic and video evidence of stacks of bodies, and hundreds of people kept starving.

You moron, those people died of typhus during the end of the war when germany was in its lowest point of the war, ie. loosing. Germany was unable to provide adequate treatment for the Jews, not only were Jews starving, so were the Germans!

Check the reports done by Dr. Charles Larson, one of America's leading forensic pathologists, who was assigned to the US Army's Judge Advocate General's Department who did reports on the deaths of the Jews.

They did not die of malnutrition or starvation, they died of Typhus. A disease that spread due to concentration camps loosing it's ability to hold it together at the end of the war.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-03 3:30

poland first used concentration camps on germans after WW1. since poland was given some land from germany in the treaty of versailles, they rounded up and put germans in them. they were treated far worse than how the nazis treated the jews.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-03 17:46

Ask Mel Gibson's dad.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-03 18:34

>>49
    Bullshit
          Not the germany getting a raw deal after WWI but just that the poles treated camped germans worse than the germans treated worse there than the jews were in the consentration camps.  There were worse camps durring the period of time.  China treated Japanese POWs(the few their were) horribly.  Japanese POW camps treated russinas and Americans terribly.  Russian POW camps treated Germans  and Italians Horribly.  None of that means the Holocaust never happened.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-03 18:42

The numbers keeps changing

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-04 13:26

So I watched www.honestmediatoday.com/JDW.wmv and I really have to suspend disbelief at this piece of propoganda.  Mentioning the Protocols of Zion as a valid source already discredits the film, as the Protocols were created by a communist author to increase anti-Jewish sentiment in Russia.  All the "research" in the film is anecdotal opinion. 

The letter that is claimed to be a forgery is a forgery simply because it has bad German writing, and therefore it "must be a forgery according to any German," without citing any sources from people who could study and verify this claim.

The "demolitions expert," a guy dressed in camo who doesn't want to have his face shown in this film, uses an elaborate test  consisting of a hole dug with a spade and three phone books, ignited with a barbeque lighter and some flammable liquid.  This  is supposed to be a "professional test," but shows a lack of scientific rigor and budget.    

The claim that the final solution was simply a plan to deport Jews to another country seems reasonable, but the extermination of Jews was done BECAUSE deportation was not feasible on such a massive scale.  The final solution is the extermination of Jews.  Yes, they were kept alive to continue working, but not forever.  The claim that Jews were not starved by showing only a few pictures of healthy prisoners is misleading use of selective evidence, as there are many photos showing starving Jews, especially later when supplies would be low. 

The gas chambers are said to require a gas extraction mechanism and be air tight, but the narrator shows no examples of this being used in other countries.  The narrator also dismisses that a poisonous gas could be disperesed in to the air from chimneys and doors.  In the US military a "gas chamber" is used with "CS gas" that causes choking, but the chamber is simply a building with doors.  The gas does disperse outside with no problem, and at twenty feet from the building you can't detect the effects of this gas.  Zyklon-B could very well be dispersed easily and harmlessly after leaving a room.       

The main issue is using one piece of evidence to account for the entire WWII period, when conditions obviously change.  It's entirely possible that prisoners were treated well at first, fed well, and kept alive at the start of concentration, but were fed less and allowed to starve as the war continued and supplies were limited.  Mistreatment by the guards and malnourishment are both well documented. 

The idea of cremating/incinerating bodies also assumes that all Jews were cremated consistently for the entire war period accounting for all 6 million, and is therefore impossible.  The 5-6 million figure does not state that all 5-6 million were cremated.  It includes deaths by starvation, typhus, and being shot directly by guards, which many were.  Exactly how many were cremated is unknown. 

The evidence that is troubling, assuming it has not been carefully hand picked by the filmmakers to support their claims while ignoring contrary evidence:

The lack of Zyklon-B staining the walls, assuming it leaves its blue residue after over 60 years.
The claims of the cremation expert, which seem reasonable.  His mannerisms seem odd in the film, like he's reading questions from a screen.  We don't get much information on who he is, and he seems reluctant to be interviewed.

The Holocaust survivor who makes claims about small pits burning thousands per day.  While he doesn't seem to be lying, his claims can't be verified, and they still seem unrealistic.  How does he know exactly how many were burned per day?  It doesn't look like he's intentionally hiding something, but it looks like he's grossly exagerating. 

The evidence of jews using unrealistic figures for death counts in the past.  The several billion and million by the Romans, and the coincidental "6 million Holocaust" mentioned decades before, both implicate Jews as people who exagerate for their own cause.

The film lacks professional editing, lacks good professional evidence and research (no scientists conducting studies on physical evidence), and does use reputable outside sources who can verify claims, aside from one cremator.  The viewer has to determine what is fact, what is selective evidence, and what is mere opinion based on the narrator's observations. 

Like a video promoting claims on 9/11 or the Illuminati, this is mere propoganda meant to persuade you to believe everything they say without questioning their claims. 
  

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-04 14:36

>>38
beh like the chinese, they cry and cry about how the japs beat their asses and rape their bitches

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-04 18:18

>>Like a video promoting claims on 9/11 or the Illuminati, this is mere propoganda meant to persuade you to believe everything they say without questioning their claims.

The same way other people try to sell us the "accepted" side of the issue? The implication made by jews is even moreso shady than those made by this film.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-08 1:56

Holocaust Happened, end of story.

Interview a survivor, preferably a Roma, so you can put aside the obvious racism you hold towards Jews, then tell me what you think.

Go to Auschwitz, dip your hands in the pond and have the water checked at a lab.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-10 19:23

>>56
is a jew

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-10 20:06

>>56
What I think?  I think it's a liar, Jews lie, and Romas, whatever they are, gypsies?

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-10 21:01

>>56
6 million jews were not killed at auschwitz and jews were not the only group to be persecuted, of these most died in other concentration camps and of starvation and collateral damage as refugees due to the war, I'm not saying this because I am stuck up about something it's just a simple fact. Why do you want me to say only jews sufferred, only nazis caused sufferring and they were all killed in auschwitz? I would only be pretending because you haven't even botherred to back up your statement with facts, how can you expect the absurdity of what you are asking to go unchallenged?

I'm not sure why exactly you want me to say this bullshit, but frankly I don't think concentration camp survivors would find it very respectful.

The communists persecuted christians and starved and executed 20 million of them, when ww2 hadn't even begun yet. The maoists did the same to 40 million people. Is nazism better or worse than communism and is the death of christians and chinese more or less important than the death of jews?

Frankly I don't give a fuck, they were all evil and nothing will stop me from opposing both fascism and communism! They're practically the same thing.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-11 2:21

People don't care about the communists' atrocities first and foremost because they like communism. Only a few people still like fascism, but communism is even today widely held as a viewpoint. Hence, they turn their backs on it, hypocritically. It's no different than Holocaust deniers, except that there's a HELL of a lot more of them.

There's also the utterly mechanized aspect of the Holocaust... an effective "death factory" is much creepier in feeling than an equally brutal random act of carnage. Similarly, the fact that Hitler targetted specific groups rather than "Stalin's daily shit list" or "these people who think they have a right to eat" makes the sort of people who believe that a hate crime is somehow worse than any other sort of cold-blooded murder upset. But the main reason is the first. Silly communards... how many times do you have to prove your incompetence before you give the fuck up?

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-11 4:16

they like communism

lol wut?

Gimme some of your stash, man.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-11 4:20

I like cormmunism.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-11 14:59

>>61
I think you've had more than enough.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-11 15:05

Communism sucks nuts... if anything, it's worse than fascism.  Far more have died resulting from communism than have died resulting from fascism.  Communism is the most total assault on freedom of any kind... to really enact communism, unless you have a bunch of willing hippies, requires a massive authoritarian government to quell uprisings, kill and subdue any rebels, and in general just hold power, and drive their agenda down everyone's throats.  The only difference between this and German style fascism is that the latter didn't have the same shitty economics views as the former.  (Note:  Their economics views were still shitty, just not quite as shitty as the communists).

Name: Sage Killer 2006-06-11 15:42

You, motherfucker. Holocaust WAS REAL! Go to your fucking History teacher, suck his old cock and jump into a fucking bowl of acid, , you damn nazi motherfucker.

SAGE IS DEAD - LONG LIVES SAGE KILLER

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-11 15:45

What about cormmunism?

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-11 15:48

>>38 so many russians died because russia was outdated and stalin was a dumbass who knew shit about the military or tactics or not getting tens of millions of his people killed

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-11 17:17

>>38

All you are saying is pretty much "my gang would have handled things better". 

People will die, and there will be violence in such a system, as well as in instituting it.  Communism is a violent system.  Capitalism, on the other hand, is a non-violent system.  In capitalism, you can only trade for, or earn what you want. Since both traders are likely to be looking out for their self-interest, it is likely that both people will come out satisfied from the deal... if they are wise.  In capitalism, you don't force, you persuade.  Capitalism, by itself, is a system of peace, progress, and non-violence. 

In communism, if some man refuses to cough up the hard earned products of his work voluntarilly, do you think the government will just leave him alone? If socialism/communism of any variety or sort is to be instituted, there will occasionally (sometimes more than occasionally) be incidents like this.  Conflicts will arise because not all people are the same, think the same, or believe the same.  Any system which does not necessitate your agreement with the regime in power is not pro-individuality, and is certainly not peaceful.  Rather, it is a violent system by nature.

The only system that recognizes your right to yourself, your body, your mind, your beliefs, your property, your self-defence (guns), and every other right of individuality, is capitalism.

Communism does not.  Communism is a system of violence, period.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-11 17:18

Communism is a violent, oppressive system, period.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-12 2:44

>>66
It's a purposeful typo, and hence, it's stupid and unnecessary. Hey, just like communism.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-12 5:48

>>65 Jew

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-12 6:32

>>70
Fajitaist

Name: Sage Killer 2006-06-12 7:57

>>57

AND YOU A FUCKING NAZI! JUST CROSS MY WAY AND I RAPE YOU WITH
MY JACKHAMMER, YOU MOTHERFUCKER INCEST ASS BIRTH!!

SAGE IS DEAD - LONG LIVES SAGE KILLER

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-12 10:13

The bible didn't happen.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-12 16:50

>>72
Communard

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-12 20:27

sage killer is a nigger

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-12 21:44

>>75
That isn't a name of food converted into the name of a political belief. You have succesfully failed, well done.

Name: Sage Killer 2006-06-13 19:01

>>76
HEHE, JUST LIKE >>71 YOU ARE SO DAAAMN WRONG, FUCKER! BUT IF YOU LIKE TO GO ON WITH THIS BULLSHIT, I COME TO YOU AND RAPE YOUR ASSHOLE WITH MY JACKHAMMER, YOU MOTHERFUCKING BASTARD OF A FAUL NAZI!!

SAGE IS DEAD - LONG LIVES SAGE KILLER

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-13 22:48

>>39

Actually, more people have died resulting from totalitarian forms of government (ex. communism) than have died from all wars in the 20th century combined.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-15 0:28


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