The important role of liberals.

Liberals whine all the time about everything and are either stupid and/or completely crazy, so you don't want them running the country.

However corrupt politicians often pay off people who criticise them to go somewhere else and liberals, being stupid and/or crazy, are very hard to pay off. Every man has his price, but if you get enough liberals whining away so the total expense of avoiding responsibility will be too high, there will be no way to escape justice for the corrupt politician or whoever is up to no good.

So you need liberals and you need enough of them to police a wide variety of issues in a heated paranoid manner. However the more liberals you have, the more influence they have over the government. So you need to find a balance between the corruption caused by liberals with their corrupt ideals and the corruption they alleviate through criticism.

I'm trying to make al ist of factors to understand how to control the proportion of liberals and how many and what type of liberals are needed. This is it briefly so far.
:the liberals' ability to criticise
;how crazy liberals are and how much money is needed to subvert them
;how much need there is for criticism ie. how much corruption there is
;how many people are in a position to commit the various crimes and how much money they have

The role of the media and action groups is a very important factor, since hierarchial groups are easier to bribe than an assorted movement. Michael Moore for instance makes a lot of money for not criticising certain companies and officials and the new york times is a liberal newpaper that occasionally expresses some avidly non-liberal points of view. It's obvious what is going on.

i am not going to type it all agian so this is my post from the "racism is boring" thread as it is on this subject. 

how about the REAL definition of conservatism
how about the REAL definition of Liberalism.

Conservatism is the "less is more" mentality of politics, meaning that they want as little govenment obstruction of peoples lives as possible.  anything more than the government having basic military, police power (procicuting murderers, rapists, thieves, etc), and civil litigation(person A thinks person B owes them money and sues for it, govenment decides case) anything more does not belong in a pure conservative ideal.
(Anarchism can be seen as an extreem form of conservatism that doesn't even cover these three things)

Liberalism is the idea that the govenment needs to step into social, fiscal, and other matters of a private individuals because they either can't or won't manage these areas on their own.  this incudes anything that doesn't fall under conservatism  such as government control of food distubution, medical care, or redistribution of wealth through taxes, or little things like road construction, subsidies, employment laws, etc.  Communism would be an economic system based on the liberal political theory(communism is not a political system, but it requires a liberal politial ideal, in which the government assumes that people can't handle much of anything on their own and takes over for them).

  The U.S. govenment btw was founded on the idea of conservatism and the theory that if you give the govenment an inch and it takes a mile.  And therefore you want the govenment to stay out of citizens life as much as possible.  we are moving more and more towards a liberal idea of govenment where we have more and more interventon every day....also democrat and republican parties:  both liberal.. the democrats are fiscally liberal, meaning they want more control over the financial institutions of the country, the republicans are socially liberal meaning they tend to go after private affair control more.  either way you are totally fucked because whichever one the govenment takes control of first leads to the other one falling, although historically fiscally liberal government has been able to take complete control faster (communist russia, communist cuba, socialist nazi germany, etc.)    OK any thoughts on this


btw.  liberitarians are the only conservative party in the us. check their website, it says conservative right on it if you look.