Racial Responsibility? What the Fuck?

O.k., I am recapping off of my last thread and the other new threads dealing with such subjects [in euphemism] as the 'stereotypical universal B.O. of Arab peoples' and '"What If" Slavery of Blacks was Reinstated as a Legal Institution' and there seems to be some reoccuring themes in the [il]logic of those who argue for the supremacy/pride/nationalism/genocide/subjugation/etc. of various races on all sides...

 [...I've seen forums in which it has literally turned into a White vs. Black vs. Yellow debate in which the racist Whites accuse ALL Blacks of inferiority and universal problem-making, the racist Blacks accuse ALL Whites of universally instituted racism and holding them back and the racist Yellows accuse the Whites AND Blacks of genetically objective inferiority [see: Wikipedia article on 'Race and Intelligence'] and themselves of being the true superior peoples of humanity... Egh, at least to me, all of these people just seem likepeople needing a lesson in objectivity playing out old evolutionarily primate neuro-script under the guise of objectivity and 'intellectualism'...]

...of this conflict. One of these themes is the theory that because a person is of a certain skin color, they are instantly and undeniably universally responsible AND A PART OF the actions of other people of that same skin color, whether positive or negative. Some of the arguments I've seen from various people who spout this 'Racial Responsibility' as if it was as absolute and irrefutable as the loads of other ignorance they consider true are...

From Racist Whites = "We Anglo-Saxxons have practically carried the Western World, European AND American on our backs. Economic, Scientific, Philosophic, Literary... all us. We have the Magna Carta. Shakespeare. Quantum Physics, the Constitution... all of it. All these inferior races have... what? Nothing." Analysis: So, based upon this logic of ability based on race, you're able to  recite all of Shakespeare's sonnets and plays, explain the structure and significance of Iambic Pentameter, explain the full spectrum of mathematic, physical and theoretical principles surrounding quantum mechanics and apparently do anything that anyone who's white has ever done... AND YOU WERE THERE AT THE MAGNA CARTA, TOO? WOW!

From Racist Blacks = Usually there is a mentioning of how their musical traditions have been stolen by Whites. Everything from original tribal beats to original Rock&Roll to Raggae to Funk to House to Disco to Jazz has been co-opted... Unh-huh... Same analysis, write and perform a song of the genres mentioned here based upon your obvious ability to do so as a black person and THEN talk to me.

You get my point people.

Discuss... rationally, please.

"No. Why do you keep trying to rephrase my argument to suit your ability to only give limited responses? "There's no such thing as race" is a diluded way of interpeting what I'm saying. Is it your limited capcity to understand these very simple concepts that keeps leading you back to this phrasing or is it something else?"

Sorry, you nitpick and quibble so much I have no idea what exactly your argument is, so why not simply tell me? I fail to see what is so difficult with defining your argument. What is so hard? Maybe you see that race exists only in a social perspective, but isn't genetically viable. Maybe you believe whites are a race apart from the rest of the world. Maybe you believe races are more malleable than contemporary ideas and that there are many half caucasian half negroes and that the differences that evolved are very minor. It's much easier to persuade someone to agree with you if they know exactly what you are trying to prove. If everything you say is indeed true, that racism is still at large and ruining people's lives and there is a logical reason for me not to think of myself as part of a racial group, but think of blacks, hispanics and asians as part of a racial group, then it should be easy to compose and argument so we can find out what we disagree apon and look at the facts.


"Your crime is complacency. I keep repeating this over and over and over and somehow you keep dodging the idea that being complacent to the fact that "racism takes place and that being white I am less likely to be a victim of discrimination" [b]is[/i], in fact, what I am speaking of when I refer to "white privalege". Your complancency voids you of innocence."

You haven't even given me an example of how I am benefitting from white priviledge, many other people here are asking that same question. Am I doing something wrong? Am I not doing something right? What do you want me to do? If I were given priviledges for being white I would ask that they be given to non-whites aswell or I wouldn't have anything to do with whoever is offerring me those priviledges. If someone discriminates against non-whites I won't particularly like that person, won't put him in a position of authority and would oppose strongly any authority he/she has. I find racists to be very immature and dim, though luckily they weren't in any position of authority so unless you want me to attack their right to the freedom of speech or there is discrimination occurring that I am unaware of and not helping to eliminate, there is nothing else I can do.


"Right. You are making "a claim." I understand that."

I could write about how everything you say is a claim aswell and imply it is wrong simply because you said it. I don't because that is plain silly. All you have done is make yourself sound like an idiot.


"But, I am exposing the superfical trappings of race and how race has been used to basically get people to commit to the most henious acts in all of history. Meanwhile, your defintion of "white heritage" still lacks fundamental specifics and most of all- a objective look at all of history. What is "white culture, techonology and civilisation" and on what basis do you believe that these things are "purely white" - completely devoid of contributions from other cultures and races?"

It would be a lot easier if you didn't discriminate against whites, just because I said white heritage and not some other ethnic group's heritage all of a sudden heritage is an ambiguous term. Contributions by whites are part of white heritage and contributions by non-whites are part of non-white heritage I also fail to see how this makes your analogy apt, since you have decided to fillibuster on the definition of heritage instead of actually disproving a point in my argument or indicating why it is logically wrong.


"Oh ho ho, The analogy is apt."

Once again, your analogy doesn't apply in this situation since you benefit from whites thinking race doesn't exist, thus you have an incentive to do so. There is also proof of this as indicated by your obvious spite towards anything which is white heritage. I don't go out of my way to attack the heritage of other races or nations, Blacks have their fair share of geniuses like emeagwali, Chinese civilisation was the peak of human civilisation until the rennaissance in europe kicked off, civilisation started in the fertilce crescent, not in northern europe. You see, I acknowledge these heritages as you do, but when it comes to discussing white heritage with you there is a stunned silence followed by rants about atrocities by whites directed at why innocent whites living today must be discriminated against and non-whites given priviledges.


"If it wasn't it really would not have taken a whole paragraph to address the holes in it."

That isn't a very compelling argument, besides my response took up 2 lines and a bit and your analogy took 1 line and a bit.

""Atheists attack the concept of God and yet no one ever seems to claim they somehow still believe in God by virtue of the fact that they understand that everyone else believes in God solely to their benefit."
This isn't a correct analogy. I claim you are trying to prove race doesn't exist to your opponents so they believe there is no point in standing up for themselves. I am claiming you benefit from whites not having a racial identity. In your analogy no one claims the atheists attack the idea of god because they have little reason to benefit from doing so."

Paragraph? Stop blowing things out of proportion. You know very well what is meant by heritage, 2 lines and a bit is hardly a paragraph and every argument needs to be defined and given proof to back it up.


You haven't defined your argument, if you were not racist you would be attacking racism and discrimination instead of the white race. However you seem to think that racism is synonymous with whites, which is in itself a racist point of view and stupidly hypocritical. My argument is that "white priviledge" only occurs when a white person exploits a non-white person or participates in acts of discrimination and since the majority of whites oppose discrimination, including myself, they do not gain from racism. I argue that you are attempting to label all whites as unknowingly receiving "white priviledge" and thus are racist and that it is justified to discriminate against them as a result.


"Precisely and this is the disorder afflicting you and other white nationalists. Not- "the entire white race" as you continue to assert and I continue to prove otherwise. "

What? You haven't proved a thing. You haven't even outlined what you are trying to prove. Clearly you have a problem. Admitting you have a problem is the first step to solving it. Come on, here is a list of symptoms.

*is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
Glamorisation of crime, belief in moral superiority and conspiracies in which you play a major role.

*believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by other special people
Cult-like attitude to politics, belief that anyone with a different opinion is out to get you and the only people you can trust are those who are part of your group (Usually the opposite).

*requires excessive admiration
Refusal to accept criticism, belief that all criticism is an insult and to be ignored. Belief that anyone who doesn't flatter you must hate you.

*strong sense of entitlement
Belief that you have been wronged and that it is ok to take back what is owed by a skapegoat or invisible enemy.

*takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
*lacks empathy
I take it you are not very nice to white people.

*is often envious or believes others are envious of him or her
You are envious of the success of others and harbour the socialist belief that anyone who outcompetes you has stolen from you what you never earned in the first place. I don't give a flying fuck about heritage, I am an individualist and believe, that success and opportunity should be earned through merit. Thus why I oppose discrimination. You believe whites are envious of you and you are envious of the achievements of whites. Whites of course being your skapegoat.

*arrogant affect
Belief in the infallibilty and superiority of those in your group, thus anyone who disagrees must be wrong, even if they tear apart your argument in debate and anyone who has done better than you must have done it through crime, crimes which must be found out even if the proof of the crimes go against reason. Everyone makes mistakes, all it takes is for you to admit you are wrong.