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Racial Responsibility? What the Fuck?

Name: Vrendi 2006-04-23 13:49

O.k., I am recapping off of my last thread and the other new threads dealing with such subjects [in euphemism] as the 'stereotypical universal B.O. of Arab peoples' and '"What If" Slavery of Blacks was Reinstated as a Legal Institution' and there seems to be some reoccuring themes in the [il]logic of those who argue for the supremacy/pride/nationalism/genocide/subjugation/etc. of various races on all sides...

 [...I've seen forums in which it has literally turned into a White vs. Black vs. Yellow debate in which the racist Whites accuse ALL Blacks of inferiority and universal problem-making, the racist Blacks accuse ALL Whites of universally instituted racism and holding them back and the racist Yellows accuse the Whites AND Blacks of genetically objective inferiority [see: Wikipedia article on 'Race and Intelligence'] and themselves of being the true superior peoples of humanity... Egh, at least to me, all of these people just seem likepeople needing a lesson in objectivity playing out old evolutionarily primate neuro-script under the guise of objectivity and 'intellectualism'...]

...of this conflict. One of these themes is the theory that because a person is of a certain skin color, they are instantly and undeniably universally responsible AND A PART OF the actions of other people of that same skin color, whether positive or negative. Some of the arguments I've seen from various people who spout this 'Racial Responsibility' as if it was as absolute and irrefutable as the loads of other ignorance they consider true are...

From Racist Whites = "We Anglo-Saxxons have practically carried the Western World, European AND American on our backs. Economic, Scientific, Philosophic, Literary... all us. We have the Magna Carta. Shakespeare. Quantum Physics, the Constitution... all of it. All these inferior races have... what? Nothing." Analysis: So, based upon this logic of ability based on race, you're able to  recite all of Shakespeare's sonnets and plays, explain the structure and significance of Iambic Pentameter, explain the full spectrum of mathematic, physical and theoretical principles surrounding quantum mechanics and apparently do anything that anyone who's white has ever done... AND YOU WERE THERE AT THE MAGNA CARTA, TOO? WOW!

From Racist Blacks = Usually there is a mentioning of how their musical traditions have been stolen by Whites. Everything from original tribal beats to original Rock&Roll to Raggae to Funk to House to Disco to Jazz has been co-opted... Unh-huh... Same analysis, write and perform a song of the genres mentioned here based upon your obvious ability to do so as a black person and THEN talk to me.

You get my point people.

Discuss... rationally, please.

Name: Anonymous 2006-04-28 7:42

"I'm 400% safer in a white neighborhood than I am in a black neighborhood. "

Well, if you're white... Of course. Clearly judging by America's current racial climate, in a white neighborhood non-whites will have a problem being safe in a definate psychological sense of the word. Racist love to dice shit up into "who steals, who rapes?" as if history hasn't proven their (so called white) behavior to be just as hostile if not more. This is like the Japanese caliming to be peaceful despite the Rape of Nanking.

Your non-hostile experiences with whites come from you being white. Don't delude yourself with any sense of objectivity, because by virtue of your dogmatic approach to race- you simply lack the inborn ability to approach the issue objectively now matter how loudly you rail on about the lack of falsibility of statistics or logics or what have you.

What you fail to understand time and time again is that race, as concept has thus far done more harm than good. Can you enlighten us on what good it's done for all of human kind? What do you think gets a stronger negative reaction from the human psyche? Being different...or being treated a certain way FOR being different?

Your approach is clearly one of white supremacism because thus far "Race" as a concept has only "worked" in favor of white privalege. Anyone cheering for race and ignoring the harm the concept has done is cheering for the unfair privaleges that come with their race. (Affrimative action, positive stereotyping into certain roles within society, etc)

Finally, it's a common effort amoung those adopting psuedo-logical racism to totally ignore their lack of data and data that clearly speaks contrary to their views. Arguements for "the overpowering strength of genetics" would have worked when we couldn't identify the mechansims by which we actually gain an understanding of ourselves and the environment.

Of course you can't just come right out and say "nurture doesn't make a difference" because you know you'd be wrong. Instead you puff up genetics like it's "safe" in a game of freeze tag.

Summing up: Race isn't a purely logical, genetic or natural concept. Cows, Monkeys and Ducks don't group together according to facial features or color or whatever genetic definition you've got. To approach it as this tangiable idea rooted in the logic of nature is pretty fucking ridiculous- so ridiculous that it almost refutes itself over and over again.

How much longer do we have to sit here and watch you contradict yourself with concepts that are apparently so lofty to you that you don't understand the irreconcilable conflicts that give rise to turning your ideas into social modus operandi.

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