Abortion

I live in LA and right now, they are trying to pass a bill outlawing all abortions with the exception that it was cause by rape or incest and if it jeprodizes the mothers life.

Why is the government compromized mainly of white, old men who represent a small amount of the population. I don't think men should be able to make laws governing what a woman does with her body. I see early term abortions as getting rid of some very unwanted cells growing in ones body. What if I don't have the means of raising a child, what if I don't have the time to take away  from school to go through a few months of hell only to give up a child who makes me exponentially uglier and looser, what if I'm a crackwhore who would only make the child grow up the be fuck up and have a horrible, depressing life like all those /b/tards. I'm really scared that this law will be passed seeing how I live in a backwards, uber consevative state.

And also, North Caroline (maybe South I forget) is trying to pass a bill to ban all abortions that don't jeprodize the mothers lifes. WTF?

>>80 Finally someone actually makes sense.

No I don't think the only way to show my love for someone is by sex. Just because you believe something (i.e. that a bunch of cells that resemble every other mammal embryo on earth up until a couple months is a human "life") doesn't mean I believe the same thing. I don't think of an abortion as killing a life. And you must remember that procedures such as tying your tubes is a surgery - which means it has risks involved as well as cost a goodly amount of money. And I am going to stick with my gut instinct and say >>78 is either asexual or never had sex in your life - which means you don't understand what sex can mean to some people. Sex is an important part of a relationship - if your waiting until marriage to have sex, you are an idiot. How shitty would it be to be stuck with someone you have no chemistry with - a good relationship without attraction and sex is just a friendship. A good relationship with attraction - sexual, physical, and mental - is love.

A with those beliefs, I would probably assume that you are religious - and if you are, what the fuck are you doing on an page associated with 4chan?

Abortion: It's a woman's right. Lol.

>>81
"if your waiting until marriage to have sex, you are an idiot."

I don't think there's anything wrong with that.  People nowadays are really slutty spreading their STDs everywhere.  If after marriage you find out your partner is not what you thought he or she is, there's a thing called "divorce".  I'm pretty sure that's still legal.

>>81
Marriage isn't about love, it's about responsibility.  Even protected sex comes with the risk of procreation, and marriage provides a basic framework to support and raise a child.  I'm not waiting for marriage before having sex because i'm an idiot, I'm doing so because I'm willing to take responsibility for my actions.

It's irresponsible people like you that make abortion an issue at all.  Murder is wrong, plain and simple.  Trying to justify it so you can continue your hedonistic lifestyle is plain selfish.

>>84
You fail, murder involves a living human being. Performing an abortion is no more murder than is removing cancerous tumours.

Hedonism needs no justification; it's everything else which needs an excuse.

Sex as entertainment. Interesting. So why is sex entertainment? Sex is pleasurable... it's also an activity.... Eating can also be pleasurable and it's also an activity... So eating must also be entertainment.
Now I know 'basic psychology' says that sex isn't a 'need' so much as breathing, eating and sleeping. But it is one of the four basic things we do. People are more less made to procreate, as much as we love it, it's also part of our system. And so it's only natural that we follow through with this act, even if often times in situations where we would not. The fact that it is pleasurable only helps to insure that we are 'instilled with an addiction' that makes us want to procreate as much if not more than 'needed' for survival.

Except with all things in modern civilization we have developed ethics, and morals and behaviours... things that aren't so natural that they exist without effort. Combined with the fact that life isn't as simplistic as say cave dwelling beings.

The problem here is that things aren't so simplistic and savage these days. We try to bear responsibilities, but we cannot ignore our very essence that tells us to procreate. So we need to do both. This creates a conflict where it's not beneficial to have a child. This is why birth control and abortions exist. To add a control mechanism so that we can try to continue with society where things aren't cut and dry.
So the point. Abortion is a natural extension, a tool to help society deal with issues where it's generaly problematic. The problem is that other people now have a problem with this extension because of it's 'finality' and seemingly cruelness. When letting a person live could be considered as cruel.

Also if your going to argue murder how bout you go argue murder to the point that it is so specifically defined that no one could make an argument against murder in general before we apply it an 'unknown' case.

>>84
Abortion IS taking responsibility for your own actions. Please don't confuse otherwise.

>>84
Murder is wrong yet we still have wars today... wars for particuliar reason. Animals 'MURDER' people for food. That must also be wrong. Animals 'MURDER' animals for food... We could play the game all day, but murder isn't wrong or right. Even wrong or right is complicated itself.
By our very nature we strive for survival, so whatever we do for survival is by it's very nature right.
This doesn't work so well in this day and age, there's reasons for what we do ethically/morally, but being 'right' isn't one of them.

>>87

Getting rid of the problem by getting rid of it's source.  Great idea, I should be able to do that whenever I get tired of my kids.  Should be totally legal to leave my children in a car and send them into a lake.  Or drown them in a tub.  Or dope them up and leave them in a burning house.

>>86

A lot of people find murder entertaining.  It's also a natural part of our heritage, our progenitors used to kill each other all the time.  And it would probably help your other point, 'letting a person live could be considered as cruel'...

>>89

No, you should abort yourself.  See?  Abortion is the answer.

Pro-lifers make no sense.

>>87
it's easy to take responsibility for your own actions if it doesn't involve you being the one to pay the consequences, right?

Have you looked that countries with strong Catholic ties?  Do they look prosperous to you or are they a Turd World country?  You're forgetting that resources are limited.  Maybe you should pay for other people's tubal ligations and vasectomies too since you care so much about what they do to their bodies.

Have a child should be a well thought out decision where the soon to be parent(s) believe they have the best suited environment and abilities to raise a child. If someone gets pregnant and believes they do not have the best possible means for raising a child, the options are giving the child up for adoption or getting an abortion. If you were to look up the statistics on how many children are waiting for a family, who really really need that love and support of a responsible person(s), you would be appalled that so many child are going through their childhood unloved and are growing up in an environment that can possible make them a threat to society or a unproductive citizen. We should be taking care of these children who are waiting and not just be adding more and more to the system. Abortion is neccessary in our society today whether you believe it or not and it will be happening whether or not it is legal.

Too many kids need adoptions, and there are too many abortions happening. 

Maybe everyone should stop having sex?

"OH NOES WE CAN`T STOP HAVING TEH SEXXORS!"

Fuck off.  Have yourself castrated if you want sex that much.  It solves the problem.  People who think sex is their right and don`t actually think of it as a privilege have no idea how much of a burden they place on society.  Not just with abortions and too many children; the exponential growth of STDs is just as bad.

>>96

Look up the word "castrated" in the dictionary and see what it means.

>>96
I've no STDs, have 1 partner, and pratice safe sex. I'm sure you're just bitter because you can't get any, so you think everyone else should be doing what your doing.

>>96
Sex isn't a priveledge.

>>93
The person getting the abortion has to pay for it. Like I said getting an abortion IS taking responsibility.

>>99
sex can be made a priveledge

100GET!!!

sex is a right, amirite?

>>17
That's a possibility.  Then again, the states that outlawed abortion will probably have more children than those that didn't outlaw abortion.

people saved by anti-abortion laws will vote for the party that allowed them to live in the futar

>>1
Not old white men, old jewish men and they want to encourage white women to abort, not the other way round.

why exactly is it you can't even consider cutting back on the frivoulous sex? and maybe even replace it with something more productive? or at least something that doesn't generate more unwanted babies?

and don't get started on the overabundance of unwanted babies now. they're there in the first place because of people making babies when they shouldn't.

>>105

because we don't fucking want to. Why is that so hard to understand? ABORTION IS TAKING RESPONSIBILITY. You think abortion is easy for people? It's not. it's a hard fucking decision, made harder by people like you who think you have a say in what other people should be doing with their bodies. unless you're planning on paying for the social programs these people are going to need to take care of these surprise pregnancies then you get no fucking say what so ever.

I know you THINK that abortion is some type of new thing. but killing off babies in the womb has been around for a quite a fucking while. nature was less forgiving of surprise lives back then and abortion was barbaric. it involved butcher of the womb, or simply watching your baby die. things are better now- abortion is safer.

you need to start thinking harder and better on this issue. you're never going to stop people from fucking when they want how they want in a million fucking years.

why can't you just be concerned with yourself?

>>why can't you just be concerned with yourself?

Thank you! That’s what I told the judge when I beat my wife to death. But that right-wing fascist started throwing around words like "murder" and "25 to life". Why does the government have to but into my personal life? Stay out of my bedroom (which is where the beating took pace)!!

She is my wife and it’s my decision.

Typical of pro-lifers.  Always concerned about the unborn but capital punishment and wars are okay.

>>108

That's because:

People that murder and rape little children deserve what they get, including the electric chair.

Wars are okay if you are protecting your own limited interests (no wars of unlimited interest, like 'the war against terrorism' which can be simplified down to 'the war against war', terrorism being the poor man's (without support of the state) way of waging war and not fighting a war to support a foreign interest.

>>109

How many orphanages have you visited?

>>106
If you actually believed it's a human life you're taking, it would be murder, plain and simple.  The only way abortion can be justified at all is by claiming that this parasitic bundle of unwanted cells is not, in fact, a human life.

If that's the case and it isn't actually a life, why's it so hard a decision?  Would you torment over the decision to kill off a tumour as well?  Or clip a hangnail, even?

>>108
Why do you think babies deserve to die? If a baby can survive out side the womb and you murder it, what do you think would happen to you if you were locked inside a room for 5 minutes with the father?

>>110

2.

Two children were quite happy to be adopted. Not every story is good, but you don't even have a chance at having a happy ending if you are dead.

>>113

Good.  Now, adopt some more.  Perhaps, when you can't afford any more children, you'll realize why some people choose the abortion route.

>>114
Afford children? If starving Africans can have six children a pair...

>>21
Wow, if that ain't racist I dunno what is.

>>115

Duh, that's why there should be more abortions!  Do their children look well nourished?

What pisses me off (I'm >>113) is that so many people go and adopt kids from places like Asia and Africa, when we've got so many white children left to the state here. It's like white children are second rate. Pisses me off. It's like being white makes you unworthy or something.

>>118
oh fuck off and get over it. it seems to me you're a racist, pro-life, religious, average stupid american republican. do you honestly think capital punishment solves any problem? why is it acceptable to take people's life away while condeming the abortion of an unborn fetus when clearly your religion has branded it with the sin of the father? if in fact abortion is murder then you're on double standards. dickhead. get a life and move to netherland. crimes, abortion rate are lowest.

it is definitely people like you that make my stomach turn.

>>119
Capital punishment takes a life when someone has done something criminal which warrants it.  Abortion takes a life when an unborn child does nothing more than exist.  Hardly the same thing at all.